Biden may beat trump

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  1. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    Well let me map it out for you then. First you choose a senile old fart that isn't going to be able to function in the White House and then you choose the lady of your choice as VP. Put senile old fart out to pasture and there you have it, she's in the catbird seat and didn't get even one electoral vote. That's why it can't be Bernie.
     
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    Aww.. did you learn your lesson from 2016?
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    I suppose it could happen, but with Biden's clear deterioration mentally which has impacted his memory and speech I doubt it. If he performs how he has in a debate with Trump it will be staggeringly bad for Biden.
     
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    I figures it was something silly like that.

    First, there is no 'stealth' about this. If you can figure out that Biden (or Trump or Sanders - all similar age) might not get through their term in sufficient health to govern then so can everyone else. It really is that mundane an observation.

    Second, people actually know who the VP candidate is. No 'stealth' there. If they think he or she isn't up to the top job they may vote differently or not vote at all. I don't think McCain had much of a chance in 2008, but choosing Palin as his running mate torpedoed any small chance he did have. People do pay attention to this stuff.

    Finally, when was the last time a VP had serious power in a US administration? There were at least three presidents in the C20th who finished their terms more or less physically incapable of doing the job (Wilson FDR & Reagan) and none was supplanted by their VP. Eisenhower seemed to spend more time golfing than Presidenting toward the end of his second term, yet Nixon remained notably distant from power (to the point where Eisenhower actually denigrated him during the campaign). When Nixon himself came close to a nervous breakdown toward the end of his time in power it wasn't Ford who stepped in until Nixon was gone. Humphrey? spent 3 years as a face on a milk carton. Al Gore? A decent profile, but no power. Biden? nope. Johnson might be the closest you get, but even that was mainly about legislation through Congress.

    In short, even when Presidents are incapable of governing it is people in their personal circle, staff or cabinet who seem to pick up the slack, not the VP. John Nance Garner was right. No reason to believe that will change now. Biden has spent decades trying to become President. If he finally gets there he isn't just going to hand over power to his deputy as soon as the crowds get home from the inauguration.

    So, if that is your 'woman President by stealth' it isn't a very strong argument. You might have more luck arguing that Biden will not seek re-election & a female VP will effectively be given the 2024 nomination. That seems a LOT more likely. Such a VP might actually be given more to do than just smiling & waving, but nothing close to being a 'stealth' President. Of course, that won't stop people from claiming that.
     
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    Trump might be a jackass for many people
    but seems to me hes the safer option in this case, what if biden doesnt even remember his name or what that little red button does halfway in ?
     
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    I hope you are right. At the core of your statement, you could be wrong. HRC won on points against Trump, but lost the election. It may be, no matter how skillfully you say, "I will rape and murder this nation and replace it with an authoritarian hell on earth" it won't beat a clumsy, "Make America Great Again." I worry those not engaged will find Biden folksy and vote for him, no matter how ill his party's real intentions.
     
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    I think Biden's issues are many. He has to be able to answer questions about his past, and not get angry and defensive. He appears to have not only a memory issue, but also an issue with controlling his reaction to uncomfortable questions. I do not believe the debates will be the only deciding factor in the race, but I believe it will be important. I also believe the ratings for the debates will go through the roof. America will be watching.
     
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    Only time will tell.

    I rarely make any predictions -- thus I rarely make mistakes.
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wouldn't count chickens about a debate between Joe and Trump just yet. First, Joe has to make it through a debate this Sunday.

    Biden should do well in today's primaries, because they've been able to mostly hide him from the public with 15 minute stump speeches (which he has had trouble with) and by minimizing his live interviews with journalists.

    However, unless his campaign cancels the next debate on March 15th, his performance there could seriously impact his poll numbers. Consider that the debate is in Arizona on a Sunday, which should draw a large viewership, and that Jorge Ramos of Univision is one of the three moderators. Ilia Calderon of Univision will also be on hand to facilitate audience questions.

    About three weeks ago, Ramos called Biden out during a one-on-one interview about the millions of migrants Obama deported and pointed out that the Obama administration "locked kids in cages". Biden called Ramos a liar on the exact numbers of deportations and tried to minimize the lockups of children, then finally conceded that Obama's immigration policy was a mistake.

    Not only can Joe not speak coherently for 15 minutes even with a teleprompter, but the next debate may not be entirely Joe-friendly with Univision moderators and an audience which is likely to have a high percentage of Hispanic Latinos. Maybe Jake Tapper and Dana Bash will just "cut short" answers where Joe is getting himself in trouble.

    Will Joe's trouble with Hispanic-Latinos hurt his chances in the general election? Maybe after Sunday.
     
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    I am sure that everyone (especially the Faux/Breitbart People) will be intensely watching the debate for any tiny "slip up" that they can exploit for their "Uncle Joe" narrative.
     
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    Yes, of course! Bernie Bros will join with the Trumpers in that endeavor. That's the essence of American politics. Meanwhile Democrats are busy intensely watching the coronavirus for any tiny "slip up" by Trump, while they ignore the fact that Biden has dementia.

    Fun, isn't it? We citizens are sort of helpless outside of our one vote. Might as well sling some mud at one or the other political rulers to pretend we have some control :)
     
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    It won"t matter if it is the Bernie People or the Sisters of Mercy, Biden is going to Blowout Bernie across the board on the 17th and then Bernie should exit gracefully.
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bernie has no incentive to bow out until after the last primary is held. He probably will quit right before the convention.
     
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    His "incentive" will be avoiding discord in the party.

    Obviously, the longer he stays in will just hurt Biden and help Trump.
     
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    He appears to not be capable of going even one day without some kind of issue. He has no control over his temper, which is fairly common in with dementia. I cannot imagine him doing well when asked some real questions during a debate, without a lot of others on the stage to take the heat off him. A two person debate is going to be a very difficult task for him.
     
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    The more I keep hearing about how Trump doesn't have a chance I think it would be foolish of me to waste the ink it takes to fill out the circle next to his name on the ballot, so count me out.
     
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    However, that would require Bernie to grow some balls. If you recall he had plenty of opportunity to step on Hillary's head during the debates but he was a pansy and he is appearing to take the pansy path with Biden as well. Bernie has no game in debates, never has. It will be limpwrist Bernie against senile Joe, the over and under will be on who falls asleep first, the debaters or the public.
     
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    At this point I am not even sure it will matter if Bernie goes full throttle after Biden. I am not convinced Biden will be able to even answer the soft ball questions that I am sure will be thrown his way. I do agree that Bernie will not take off the gloves, he will just get louder in general without really confronting Joe with the contradictions of his previous statements, and actions.
     
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    Questions that Biden should avoid answering:
    1. What is the name of your former boss?
    2. What was it exactly that Margaret Thatcher said when you spoke to her last year?
    3. Do you know what the phrase “ the right of the people to keep and to bear arms shall not be infringed” means?
    4. Could you explain again to your Democrat party why we should vote to re-elect President Trump for another 4 years?
    5. Joe, you said recently that a woman should never be touched by a man, even if she is walking past in the nude and so, does that proposition apply to politicians like yourself also?
    6. Joe, were you aware that it IS legal for a US citizen to own a fully auto machine gun, or sub machine gun , as well as a full auto rifle, and in fact any number of army surplus armor vehicles including a tank like Arnold Swartzenegger owns?
     
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    #5, in particular, is going to leave a mark.
     
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    2016 is NOT 2020.

    ^So, there's that.
     
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    GDP could crash 25 percent and Trump is done; despite doing a superb job with the virus.

    Biden wont actually run the nation- it will be the DNC
    You better learn Islam and speak Spanish
     
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    Then again... Trump has handled this crisis to perfection and Americans never change their leaders in a WAR
     

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