Migrants clash with Greek police at border after Turkey opens floodgates

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's interesting. I think there will be as many Muslim babies born in 2050 as
    there are native, Christian babies born. At this point England become Muslim.
    Other nations could get there earlier.
    Not sure what this means. Certainly the old parliamentary system of government
    and free speech will be gone - but will Europe become an Islamic dictatorship,
    Egyptian style, or will it become a theocracy, Iranian style?
    Certainly Sharia law and blasphemy laws have already descended upon Europe.
    And in some cities being openly gay or lesbian, or women walking alone, is now
    considered risky. Forget being a Jew. Will Europe be Shiite or Sunni? Will these
    two groups fight it out?
     
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    It means you're parroting the replacement doctrine of the white supremacist.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I am just speaking maths.
    If a 90% majority have 1.8 babies per couple
    and the 10% minority have 3.8 babies per couple
    (as BTW is the case with some Christian/Muslim European nations)
    then there will be an equal number of grandchildren.

    Think about that. Will the new Muslims of Europe hold to the values
    of European Enlightenment? I say no because these values are not
    present in Middle Eastern nations.
    Will the European Left have any voice in this 22nd Century society?
    Definitely not. The liberals will be under the heel of ultra-conservative
    right wing Islamic brown supremacists.
     
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    And I am speaking off to what doctrine this belongs to.
    It's textbook white supremacy
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Notme - You talk of white supremacism yet what about Sunni Islam? Isn't that supremacism? If it's not, then what is 'dhimmitude'?


     
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    dhimmitude is a 1980's made up word by Christians and Jewish supremacists. It aint Arab. There is no Sunni Islam connection.
     
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    No, just textbook mathematics.
    Privately many Muslims boast of this.

    If you want to see what will happen look no further than Turkey.
    What was once a more secular and liberal Muslim nation has
    become increasingly fundamentalist. This has happened due
    in large part to the birthrate. Fundamentalist Muslims have more
    children than secular Muslims. Hence the rise of Erdogen.
    Same thing is happening with Orthodox Jews in Israel.

    So long term Europe won't be just Muslim, it will be fundamentalist
    Muslim. It's funny because the very woke, PC, cultural Marxist folk
    who support open borders in Europe are going to be the first ones
    to get it in the neck with these people. Islam doesn't believe in our
    Christianity, but it has more respect for it than it does for the cultural
    Marxists and secularists.

    :(
     
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    Sunni Islam thinks it will rule the world. But the Shiites want to rule the world too.
    But the Shiites are outnumbered by Sunnis.
    Both see Islam as one day being the supreme religion. That's brown supremacy.
     
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    You're just making it all up.
     
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    It's textbook white supremacy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wha.... what part of my statement is "making it up"
    This stuff is factual and it's in the public domain.
    Are you being Islamaphobic in not wanting Islam to
    rule over Europe? Do you have an issue with brown
    people, or even black people?
     
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    I just sourced you're parroting white supremacist filth here with your great replacement theory.
     
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    Wha... you think that:
    1 - Christian Europeans are going to start having lots of babies
    2 - and Muslims in Europe are going to have far fewer babies/

    um, how is that possible? Do you have a problem with an Islamic
    Europe? We had one before with Spain. Christians and Muslims
    who did not convert became second class citizens and had to pay
    extra taxes - but other than that it was okay.
     
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    I think you're derailing the thread, because you got no argument besides parroting white supremacist propaganda.
     
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    You know, this "white supremacist" stuff.
    The Left used to just say "racist" but the term got tired, worn out.
    Bit like "sexist" actually.
    So now we have "white supremacy" and it's got more BITE to it.
    It's nonsense of course, but that's not the point - it's a way to shut
    down debate and hurl insults.

    Besides, numbers are the real supremacists here - they will make
    and break every argument. As they have here.
     
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    They were invaders, not settlers.
     
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    As they can't cross the border I wonder how the local Turks feel about it. After all if the 'migrants' are cold and hungry then the obvious answer for them will be to burglarize the nearest house and steal everything they want.
    I know it's an assumption, but it's based on the crimes committed by the migrants who have made it to Greece.
    https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/09...n-greek-village-divided-over-hosting-migrants
     
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    According to who, a local gang?
     
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    The Romans marched into many foreign country and began killing the locals. They were invaders.
    The Europeans marched across Tasmania killing every man woman and child of the indigenous people. They were invaders.
    The Europeans arrived in the Americas and began killing the locals. They were invaders.
    So no gang said so but according to definition they were all invaders.
    Definition of invade: To enter for conquest or plunder.
    Or perhaps you have a different definition?
     
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    I doubt they would risk stealing, since Turkey is not a member of the EU and its laws are strict. From what I read, they're being fed and supported by the Red Cross and Red Crescent. Erdogan likes to present them as being refugees from Idlib, but they all speak Turkish which means they lived in Turkey a long time.

    From what I Gathered, most Kurds, Assyrians, and Arabs in Idlib were ethnically cleansed by either the terrorists or the Turkish army and moved into other parts of Syria. This means the ones there are more than likely terrorists and their families, as well as Turkic people brought in from Turkey or the Central Asian states.

    As for those trying to get into Greece; 70% are young Afghan men, next are Pakistanis, then Turks and some Syrians. The remainder are from Bangladesh, Somalia, Congo, etc. etc.
     
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    The British and French were vying for dominance over one another. Natives of various tribes were allied between both. In all known records, there is only one instance of the use of small pox. It involved a British fort under siege by natives in Pennsylvania. At the same time, they were experiencing an outbreak of small pox in the fort. A trader in the fort decided to implement the plan to save everyone in the fort. At a meeting with the warring french aligned natives, he gave them two blankets and one handkerchief from the sick bay. That is the only instance of such a plan. There are no records of the results. But there are records stating that the natives had already dealt with a small pox outbreak beforehand, and were probably the source of the outbreak at the fort. You can call Europeans invaders. I call them settlers, with their own customs and form of governance at odds with the cultures of the various tribes.
     
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    How can someone invade a foreign country when nations and sovereign states didn't exist? Battles were always going on between tribes over lands. It was a matter of survival. The Europeans won the wars because they had guns.

    The conquered weren't killed, they either became slaves or assimilated - mostly through intermarriage. If they couldn't assimilate, then they died off. The conquerors would then establish themselves as the nobility, and if the culture they conquered was superior, they would learn from them, and adopt the local language and culture and advance it even further. .

    The Turks though didn't because Islam stagnates. Mohamed saw his own standards and values as perfection and therefore should never change. When Sultan Mehmet II took Constantinople, it wasn't a city he conquered, it was Christianity - and because of that he declared himself the New Roman Emperor. The conquest was God's proof of Islam's superiority, and that meant that Mohamed's values and standards during the age he lived in should never change.

    Because of this the Turks, unlike other conquerors, learned nothing from their conquest - yet Constantinople had more libraries than all of Europe, more universities than all of Europe and more educated men than all of Europe. In contrast the Europeans, like the ancient Romans before them, sent the Greek teachers to Italy and started the Renaissance.
     
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    I sourced that it is.
     
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    And the fighting at the border goes on. Bulgaria opened its dam to flood the river, and make it more difficult for the migrants to cross. The migrants in turn, with the help of the Turkish paramilitary, added Molotov cocktails to their arsenal of smoke and chemicals. Not to be outdone, the Greeks are sending it all back to them with a special turbine and large fan. In the meantime, concrete blocks are being dropped to close off the Kastanias gate.

    What must be especially frustrating to the migrants, is that Frontex is now helping and sending troops. Two hundred from Poland have just arrived, and I believe some from Italy. This would be visual proof that it's not just Greece that's stopping them, but all of Europe.


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