Remember when conservatives said gay "marriage" was a slippery slope

Ok, I'll go with that.

Then explain why you should be allowed to stop SSM or abortion? How is that not imposing your belief, if as you said in one of our previous posts, it's none of your business. How about letting people of the same sex marry if they want to and if someone wants to have an abortion let them.

 

I'm not stopping anyone nor trying to, however both are immoral and a detriment to our country and i have the right to say so.

 

The abortion issue is a clearly separate issue from SSM due to the life form terminated. An actual harm argument can be made here than cannot be made with SSM. Your overall point is valid, but it does fall short on abortion.

 

Something we agree on. Abortion is a wholly separate issue.
It has more to do with racism than any other issue, given the abortion industry's roots.

 

Agreed, no problem with people making the life argument as long as religion is kept out of the argument

 

Ah so you don't want to respond. Thought as much.

 

Religion like it or not gets a voice that's what free speech means.

The reason i believe murder is immoral is becauae the bible says it is. If the bible didn't prohibit it i wouldn't think it's wrong.
I absolutely reject basing laws on any form of a greater good mentality.

 

Which is ironic given the number of people killed in the name of god throughout history

 

I am arguing it. There are a growing number of people and institutions who want to effectively expunge the definition of 'woman'. It's a huge problem in the UK (plus elsewhere), and to demonstrate just how big a problem it is .. a feminist group put up a large billboard literally just stating the dictionary definition. The local council had it pulled down almost immediately, because it was 'incorrect and offensive'. Look into it. Was organised by "Standing for Women".

If you're not aware of this stuff, you're part of the problem.

 

Who are you to say people can't be happy if the love of their lives is of the same sex? It reminds me of the outrage people had over that one Arthur episode, when the episode was really teaching kids about same sex acceptance, and not pushing Hollywood idealism. Inclusion is important, someone is born gay, lesbian or trans. It is a medical condition.

 

No, it means 'not normal'.

 

They need to choose .. IS it our business, or isn't it? If it isn't, then behave like it isn't - don't involve us.

More to the point, there's far more to this than pronouns. What they're ACTUALLY demanding, is that we think of them the way they think of themselves. That's the real point of the exercise - pronouns are just the token gesture. Now .. consider how just much narcissism is behind a demand like that. Imagine demanding that everyone you encounter alters their impression of you to that of your own image of yourself.

 

Arthur as in the cartoon? OMG.

They just can't leave kids alone.

 

Yeah, it was pretty pathetic. On behalf of Georgian parents.

Teaching kids inclusion is the point of preschool programs.

 

Oh dear....a billboard was taken down. Well...that is the end of womankind for sure....

 

It is? I think we have radically different ideas of the purpose of education.

 

Teaching them discernment is far more important.

 

What did you not understand about a GOVT BODY acting on, and calling a dictionary definition 'incorrect and offensive'?

Incredible that the implicit (and flamingly self-evident) problems with that need to be spelled out.

 

It’s the end of the world as we know it....

 

In Exodus 21 an abortion is induced and considered a non-event.

In Numbers, if a husband thought his wife was "unfaithful" he would take his wife to the high priest. He would administer a substance which would either cause spontaneous abortion or would do nothing - depending on whether the wife was guilty.

Romans had a strong influence from stoicism which believed a fetus was a plant until first breath. Thus legal ramifications of abortion were rare and more likely connected to law regarding inheritance should the father die.

The fact is that there isn't a record of Jesus expressing negativism regarding abortion - even though there is no question of it being a fact of the day.

I'm fine with you expressing your opinion. BUT, there is NO justification for our government implementing YOUR religious views concerning laws against women.

Besides, other countries (such as Canada) have NO laws against abortion, and they have fewer abortions than we do - drawing into question the very idea that laws are effective in this case.

 

These days is there ANY sexual perversion that dont have a champion????

The gay "marriage" deal was just the camels nose under the tent for all the perversions that has followed!!!

 

You claimed that it is virtually illegal to define a woman biologically. You have yet to support that. A single incident, with no reason behind the reasoning, does not support your claim. And it took us several posts just to drag that one incident out of you. Without seeing the billboard in question, I can't tell whether the context of it was bullying or not. I'm certainly not just going to take your word in this context.

There is a difference between sex and gender. And there are situations where one is more important than the other. In sports, under the current separation practices, sex is more important. Most other things, gender trumps. And I will agree that there are those among the transgender community who go overboard. But there is no movement to make defining a woman biologically illegal, and for those that would, they equally would deny the biological definition of man. The problem comes more from the anti trans obsessive focus on MtF and ignoring FtM. It's the same obsessive we see with antigays focusing on gay males and not gay females.

 

Subjective value. There is no objective criteria for such.

 

But they're not traumatized or harmed by two "fathers" in the same house. Right?

Doesn't matter just now. The point is, if survival of the species is the only concern, marriage is superfluous.

You'd make a swell pharisee.

He doesn't have to be anyone special to tell the truth.

Indeed, for the despotically inclined whose designs are imperiled by the freedom of association, it's absolutely essential.

 

Actually, those who vehemently insisted upon the perpetuation of gender discrimination in marriage contracts have been consigned to a well-deserved oblivion by the American people, based upon their actual experience of equality, rather than the blood-curdling scenarios the bigots had conjured up.

Fox News Poll: Record number favors same-sex marriage
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Globally, virtually all advanced nations have similarly progressed, but Islamic theocracies remain hellbent on discrimination.