The best reason to vote for President Trump.

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A new reason has come to the forefront as to why every American should vote for President Trump. Ever since Republican President Richard Nixon normalized relationships with China, we have watched our trade deficit with them grow under every new administration, both Democrat and Republican. The sellout was pretty easy because Americans like cheap stuff.

    Until President Trump, I've never heard of an administration come down on the lopsided trade situation. Now, with the Chinese Coronavirus, they really have us by the short hairs. It has been pointed out most of our antibiotics and medical equipment is now supplied by China. We trusted our leaders with a totalitarian Communist dictatorship and they sold us out while most were sleeping. Why would anyone trust a return to establishment rule over our lives?

    Joe Biden is a return to that establishment rule that sold us out. He can't tell the difference between his mother and wife let alone run the Nations business. Why does the DNC desperately favor him over comrade Bernie? Only because he appears to be more electable but more importantly controllable. His handlers will make sure there is a running mate that will toe the establishment line at Sleepy Joe's demise. That would insure the Nations march to the Globalists drumbeat and a continuation of the U.S. sellout.

    So one might understand though be repulsed by the "globalist position".....but at the expense of being put at the mercy of Communist China???? This is an opportunity to return to sanity.
    We need to reject the old line and produce our own drugs, medical equipment and everything that could ever hold us hostage. Put Americans to work and completely beat China out of it's game! Vote Trump and demand he stay the course.
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    No. I'm more concerned about Trump's deficit spending while also cutting things we need (science, healthcare) while boosting things we don't need more spending on (more military). Both sides rack up debt, unfortunately, but at least the democrats spend it on less ridiculous things.

    I don't care about the trade deficit. Tell me why you think it matters other than that whole we need to be self-sufficient if we're going to make the whole world hate use angle.
     
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    During the Cold War there were laws that protected U.S. industries that dealt in essential materials for our defense industries. The free trade movement largely destroyed that wisdom, despite a majority of economists who saw such laws as legitimate exceptions to free trade theory. There were idiots on both sides, who put globalization ahead of national security.
     
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    You don’t care that Communist China control our pharmaceutical manufacturing ???
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The theory was that if communist single party totalitarian China would turn into a constitutional democratic republic if they had access to the world trade through the WHO. And that US consumers and workers would benefit from inexpensive Chinese imports. What could go wrong ???
     
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    They need us and we need them. It is inefficient for everybody to make to everything. Specialization is a part of modernization and improvements in quality of life. It's true that nations don't have friends, only interests, but keeping those interests in the same direction whenever possible is always going to be important, whether we try to be like Tokugawa or not.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think it matters because they can withhold essentials we depend on. China has made rumblings to that effect for years. Democrats spend it on less "ridiculous things" ?
    That is pretty funny. I may be gullible, but I honestly believe we will see the deficit decrease when the military is rebuilt from the Obama years and the revenue is increased.
    This virus thing has been an unforseen set back. It cannot be blamed on this administration.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    China pulls no punches about wanting to overtake us. If you think we can live happily in subordination to a Communist dictatorship.....we disagree.
     
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    We don't need them to be supplying goods on which the immediate welfare of our citizens depend. Wake up.
     
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    DUH!!Those medication labels affixed to medication and drugs now made in China, all bear American or European company names. Manufacture was moved to China to MAXIMIZE PROFIT which is the hallmark of CAPITALISM. GREED conquers all.
     
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    It was moved to China to reduce prices and sell more product. But in doing so the welfare of US citizens is compromised.
     
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    If we are to have government regulation at all, it needs to be where it puts our country at risk to blackmail.
     
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    Talk to all the Republican CEOs and Board of Directors who rushed to fire their American workers and open Chinese suppliers to maximize profit. It had very little to do with politics.
     
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    What about the Democrat CEO’s and Board of Directors ???
     
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    Everybody knows that Democrats do not work. They’re all welfare babies - or so the Republicans claim.
     
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    You don’t work ???
     
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    Just seems so conspiratorial. I am sure they want to prosper and be the dominant nation. That's not the same as taking down or taking over America. Hoping to eclipse us while having a profitable and continued trade partnership? That's much more likely.

    Hitler is not the model that all powerful nations aspire to, and direct colonialism failed. In the end, people just want to prosper, with or without the prosperity of other nations.
     
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    Don't the Southeastern red states have more welfare dependents and poverty? You just need a little xenophobia or, formerly, homophobia to get them to vote against their own interests.
     
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    Republicans talking about free trade is laughable. Republicans tend to support free trade in Trump is no different. He will claim that he is against it in a room where people are against it. But his company outsources job the China all the time. the vast majority of products sold by the Trump organization are manufactured in China. So is his daughter's clothing line. He is all for free trade.
     
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    This is a direct result of the weakening of unions. When unions still had teeth they could prevent jobs being moved overseas unless with union contracts in the overseas operations. Take the auto industry as an example. The unions and the car companies negotiate what happens with new plants overseas. They both understand that building nearer the consumer is a good thing. What is negotiated is that these new overseas plants have to be done in such a manner as not to compete with US workers which includes pay scale and safety regs.
    Non-union or weak union companies just moved to China, India, Singapore and wherever without any impediment nor need to respect working conditions and such.
    China should build statues to Ronald Reagan for making this possible.
     
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    Surrendering power over
    It was because of unions, runaway bureaucracy and high taxes that they moved in the first place. People don't willingly take a beating if they have other options.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thay's true with the exception of those that obtain great wealth through inherited trusts......not that there's anything wrong with that but they wanna tell others how to live aka John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Nanci Pelosi.....you know the crowd.
     
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    To prosper the way a Communist totalitarian would like, they need to dominate. They dominate their own people, why not other nations? Who said "we will hang you and you will sell us the rope?" Was it Khrushchev?
     
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    So you agree that all the country’s problems have been created by greedy Republicans.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would say establishment Republicans and establishment Democrats. Now the Democrats have two choices.....a Communist who will never be elected and a life long establishment puppet who has never done anything else but suck up to establishment Democrats making deals in government. Many of which have greatly benefited his family as he sells out America.
     
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