Coronavirus: Millions of Britons will need to contract COVID-19 for 'herd immunity'

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...-contract-covid-19-for-herd-immunity-11956793

Even Trump has now declared Covid-19 an emergency but not the UK. Half of Europe is shutting its schools but not Britain. As of last night the England was not going to ban large gatherings though most of them had banned themselves and it seems this morning the Government knows its attitude is against that of the people and has now banned them.

Britain is going for Herd Immunity. This is usually acquired through vaccination. Unable to get a vaccine quick enough the UK is going for having 60% of the population catch the disease with the likely death of same amount of those vulnerable. The new health advisor who is of course advising this reminded me of Dominic Cummings even before he came out with this but did not take long to discover this was indeed a Dominic Cummings strategy

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/herd-immunity-uk-coronavirus-robert-peston

It is known that until we have a vaccine this disease almost certainly will come back. It would appear the UK Government led by Dominic Cummings is intending on getting the UK the advantages of a vaccine before one is developed by allowing wide spread catching of this disease. I find it interesting that they claim they are also trying to stop the impact on the NHS of a large peak which would totally overwhelm their ability to help patients - possible in this they are just saying the right thing.

The UK will no longer test patients except for those who land up in hospital seriously ill. It will no longer look for the source of the infection as countries like South Korea, China, Hong Kong Japan and so on have done

It looks to me like Cummings is hoping for the UK to be the one country with immunity come the autumn. They can then have advantages as other countries have to continue to deal with this. The cost of course will be massive to those in vulnerable groups, but what's a good politician to worry about that. Those with sufficient money will self isolate.

I heard last night that if China had not contained the virus as it did, it would now have several million deaths.

The UK is the only country going for mass infection. What do you think?

 

Every country in the EU is in worse state than UK.
Brexit is working, as well as the fact UK is separated from the mainland.

 

You believe that because of Brexit the UK is right to have decided to cull 500,000+ of its old and vulnerable in the hope that this will mean the UK will not suffer from future versions of the virus and the young will whoop the Governments strategy to kill the old and sick. Will work pretty well with problems over pricing care for the elderly too.

But what does this extreme nationalism have to do with Brexit. The UK is going totally against the WHO. European countries are choosing what they think is best individually. The most ethnic Nationalist - and please free man the corona virus will kill people regardless of their ethnicity, but the most ethnic Nationalist State in the EU, Hungary with a handful of cases was among the first to put in the most stringent of precautions. They clearly are not up to killing their old and vulnerable.

It is believed that without the actions China took they would have millions of dead.

 

Live update from the UK - 820 cases of Corona and...11 deaths as I type this. So where is this culling of 500,000 going to happen? The virus as of this moment has about a 3.4% mortality rate not 100%. OPs opinion is nothing but partisan fear mongering in the face of facts

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...-map-live-death-toll-track-cases-italy-china/

 

Perhaps there are millions dead. Xi Jinping? Not a lying, murdering, SOB thug tyrant? Au Contraire..

I’m still living life as a normal being, interacting with the public, not doing anything different—though in all fairness, because I am on an immune suppression biologic, I’ve been practicing anti-infection hygiene and sanitation since 2012. In 8 years, no colds or flu, though I did have a super bug infection that hospitalized me for 17 days. After that, nothing.

 

sure just like when trump says, its noting, its flu, it will go away and become 0 in few days. then bam National Emergency, and its not just toilet paper is gone. UK is ignorant and there is a ticking bomb there, with various traveling method of today, there already thousands infected, it just take some time for it to show up.

 

10 more died today. 1140 identified cases. This was announced 7 hours ago

 

How those cases have been identified?
Do they test only those who have symptoms?

 

I think every country should do this. Cull the weak and carry on. quit freaking out about it. Hopefully the dead have better luck in their next incarnation.

 

Initially they were testing everyone who showed symptoms. Now they are saying if you feel that you may have the virus, self quarantine and only contact the authorities if your symptoms get worse. You will then be tested

 

Do you mean cull 50% of the over 70s? Approximately that percentage have underlying medical conditions. And many under 70 have underlying medical conditions such as asthma or diabetes

 

It's working so far. You can't argue with success.

But I do wish scientists somewhere would try the cow pox vaccine. It already worked once on something far different and much more virulent. Yeah, that's a wild idea but you can't know unless you try.

 

bold strategy cotton, let's see bow this works out.

 

I suspect that they have pulled out their entire arsenal of ideas already.

 

I think it is good that at least one country has shaken off the hysteria and dealt with common sense.

 

It didn't look like he was going for mass infection, merely acknowledging they will be unable to stop it.

 

Yes, you will only be tested now if you are bad enough to be taken to hospital. They will not look and check up on your contacts. If someone in your house has the virus they will be expected to have a week off but the rest of you can carry on being out and about spreading it. I have hears some care homes are not letting visitors into to kill their residents. It is all against the WhO guidleines.​

 

Oh they are. There has been several programs on it. They want at least 60% of the population infected so that the UK has 'herd immunity' This apparently acts like a vaccine once sufficient number have been infected then the rest are unlikely to catch it so the UK thinks that just by killing their old they can get a step up - and sorry but a policy which is designed in the full knowledge that it will result in people's death is covert murder.

One person said it would be a good policy if they could move all the old to Scotland of all places but Johnson's pal Cummings has got involved with a behaviour psychologist who he thinks can sell it to the people. Our children must stay in school we are told because otherwise their parents who work in the NHS would not be able to work. Our children must stay at school they say or they will be sent to the grandparents and infect them. In reality all they need to do is send the kids home apart from those whose parents are doing needed jobs. Then they give one of the parents the right to take time off to look after the children. He is creating the story so that they can say after, we did our best. but in full knowledge that they will be killing many more than needed to be - as Johnson said people will be losing their loved ones before their time. They also say all the time that they are taking 'medical advice' which they never give further details on. They are going against the advice of WHO. We are headed for an Italy but ten times worse. There is no way they can get what they claim they want - which is not too many going into hospital at the same time so that the NHS is not overwhelmed when the strategy they are following will put the number of cases on steroids. For those who get it badly, good medical care for many is the difference between life and death. The Governments policy which cannot fail to have a massive amount of people needing help at the same time, will create this and hundreds of thousands of people who did not need to die will be dead.

I used the 500,000 because a week, maybe two ago, the Government said they expected 500,000 deaths from Covid-19 here. Their strategy will achieve that or more.


I decided to do an online grocery shop tonight. The first appointment was on Saturday of next week. That is how much people do not want to go out. You can usually get one for the next morning.

Cummings does not even mind or care about the reality that next year the virus will almost certainly have changed in his sly bid to get a good place after Brexit on the cost of the lives of Britain's old. We have a big problem here. Lots of old people who are not working and not only that a lot of them are getting sick and needing care and the Government does not know where they will get the money from. This is killing two birds with one stone. What will stop it is if the British people do not go with it. That is why Johnson keeps saying the strategy may change. I heard this morning Johnson had decided to ban meetings of over 500 when he was not before. I have been busy and unable to check if he did indeed do that but the reality is the people of the UK were stopping the meetings. Johnson just came in when he was beaten.

 

Not keen on your grandparents eh?

 

The folks in the UK are tougher than those on the mainland of Europe. They have proven that a number of times. If they think this is the right path they should follow it. And the pansies in the EU can not do much about it

 

I don't agree. I think a better method is to take drastic measures to stamp it out.

It will have a big short-term cost, but the long-term benefits will be worth it.

That will likely entail a clamp-down on immigration in the long-term to keep it out of the country's borders.

The politicians don't want to let go of globalism, and don't care what it costs their people.

 

virus will not disappear, the same number of people will be infected. There is no long term benefits.
Government, as always do not want provide health care and instead force people carry the burden.

 

Look, I totally agree with your sentiments, but I think they are misapplied here.

 

OK here is another short article from the Guardian just noting the difference between the UK Government's strategy and basically the rest of the world's
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/herd-immunity-will-the-uks-coronavirus-strategy-work

However this is a nebulous Government and has already shown itself vulnerable to public opinion by introducing the ban on meetings of more than 500 after it claimed it was not going to do so. I saw a snip of ITV news on this. It claimed the Government had several strategies. One was to tell the over 70's to self isolate for months. This could go with the intent to get mass infection. However they also said that the Government had plans to shut schools and even to shut entire cities down. The Government is apparently coming out with its intentions next week so we will probably get more of an idea of what it is intending then and that obviously will depend on public opinion which of course as usual will have been created by our news to a large extent. Thankfully what I have seen has made it clear that the idea of mass infection convers no guarantee that we will not get the same rate of infection from a mutant strain next year and given that to even try it is crazy as well as pointing out the increased danger to those in vulnerable groups. If they do still go for this I am guessing they will demand the over 70's self isolate for months. I guess it is not impossible that they could say that is their strategy but that they might change it at any minute to even a shut down on cities (if public opinion demands it)

They may have just been doing what Trump often does - chuck out an obnoxious idea to check whether it would get necessary approval.

 

Vaccines lol
This is not a silly movie