Why doesn't socialism work?

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  1. wist43

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    If you paid money to get a degree in history, you got ripped off ;)

    That said, a republic is not a "representative democracy", which is a redundant term by the way.

    A republic, pure and simple is a governmental system based on the rule of law.

    Our Founders explained at length why democracy is bad, and they designed the Constitution specifically to thwart the will of the majority; while giving the states themselves almost equal standing.

    Pretty much nothing about how our American system of government was designed is democratic - including it's ratification which took 3/4 of the states approval.
     
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    Technically I am a Francois mitterrand French socialist.
     
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    the only people we need to tax more are the rich and giant corporations who have been getting away with murder the last 30 years. Only propaganda makes it possible.
     
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    Canada has had more immigrants per capita than the U.S. since WW2.
    The "war on drugs" is really stupid. What else is news?
    No, they don't "control it." Regulation is not socialism; collective ownership is.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    bulshit a republic is a representative democracy. That means we elect representatives I caramba.the greedy idiot GOP Rich have been robbing you blind for 30 years for crying out loud. Wake up and smell the coffee.
     
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    Everyone outside the English-speaking world of savage capitalism knows that socialism is not communism. The GOP propaganda machine turns people into absolute functional morons....
    Try asking a socialist instead of listening to bought off conservative pundits..."we are all socialists now!”--president of Finland when ObamaCare passed. France Scandinavia Germany Italy had socialist parties a hundred years ago so did we. And they were not communist. That is cold war propaganda. The place is full of Cold war dinosaurs. Works great for the conservatives. Living wage health Care day Care Free stuff horrible horrible. Cheap college and training free stuff. How dumb can people get
     
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    Collective ownership as communism collective regulation always Democratic with a good safety net is socialism as everyone outside the bubble of Bologna knows....
     
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    Answer: Economic calculation problem.
     
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    However you want to spin it, the fact remains that you want done what you want done by force of law. You want your best intentions for other people to be imposed on them by force of law. You do not consider having your best intentions imposed on other people by force of law to be a usurpation of other people's best intentions for themselves. You are so confident that your intentions for others are so superior to other people's intentions for themselves that your intentions should be imposed by force of law.

    Booker T. Washington wrote that, "A lie does not become true, wrong does not become right, and evil does not become good, just because it is accepted by a majority."
     
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    All the rich people move out. Real median household income in the US is $63.2K. In Sweden it is $50.5K. BTW, inequality is a meaningless statistic.
     
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    Are you seriously saying that the Nazi's did not control what the German economy was producing ?? That's hilarious.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    No provision that allows what? fairness Justice reality? You're totally misinformed
     
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    For anyone with a brain who can read English, it's sufficient.

    Moving right along ...
     
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    I like it better my way, the way we do it here at PF. Each reads and decides for themselves.
     
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    Why are all of the solutions being offered by our government to mitigate the coronavirus all socialistic?????
     
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    But your land and property rights are enforced by rule of law are they not? Part of the reason George Washington and others revolted against British rule is that they wanted to take over Indian land and grow rich speculating on it even though treaty rites had been guaranteed to those natives by the British Empire. So they used military force to take over the land. What is that but imposing your intentions on others by force.

    So any rights you have you need the state to enforce them and they are protected by police that the state gives the power to protect your property rights against others best intentions for themselves. Or why would not Native Americans or the homeless have the same right to their land or to set up in a public park as anyone else?

    Your land rights are protected by upsurping other people's best intentions for themselves - right? I mean nobody chooses to be homeless or uneducated or landless or poor - it is a condition forced on them by the will of others.

    You could at least have the common courtesy to be willing to pay for the laws and police protection that uphold your rights against those of others through fair taxation.
     
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    Wrong again. Sweden has more billionaires per capita than the US and has a higher standard of living:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/cou...in-proportion-to-population-2015-7#9-sweden-7
     
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    every other modern country has everything that I want us to have and it works just Grand. After all we are the richest country in the world so why are we so screwed? And why don't you know about it LOL?
     
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    Still doesn’t answers why you thought they disagreed with me until I showed you otherwise. You tied their credibility to whether they agreed with me or with you.


    You said you didn’t agree with everything I posted. It all came straight from your links.

    Ok. If a set of tests shows decline we don’t care. Got it. Poor kids.
     
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    I live about a hundred miles from Toronto and I believe you. Why would they come to the United States if they can go to Canada, civilized country without a ridiculous conservative GOP.... The world is aghast at GOP idiocy. You give every American a bad name.
     
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    Now they do. But that is after the billionaires moved back after Sweden have been dialing back their welfare state and heavy taxation. BTW the billionaire stat is meaningless.

    Why do highly productive Swedes move to the US and do better here.
     
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    There's no provision in the Constitution that allows for any of your beloved welfare state nonsense.

    There was 150 of years of proper interpretation of the Constitution in this regard.

    That is why FDR threatened to "pack the court", increasing the number of justices from 9 to 19, with him appointing all 10 of the new justices, who of course would be in the bag for the Establishment's attack upon the Constitution and our nation.

    Cooler heads prevailed, however, and he was persuaded that it would only be a matter of time b/4 they could flip the court with enough judges who were bought and paid for by the banking elite.

    In 1937, everything that had previously been ruled unconstitutional, was now suddenly constitutional.

    In reality, it was a more lethal attack upon our country than if the Soviets had launched every nuke they had at us (nukes we gave them of course).
     
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    Packing the court has been resurrected by the Democrats.
     
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    There is no shortage of quotes from our Founders Fathers with regard to their contempt for democracy.

    Although Karl Marx and most leftist intellectuals think it makes a fine transition to their preferred form if authoritarian rule.

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    It has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.

    - Alexander Hamilton
     

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