Two emergency medicine doctors, in New Jersey and Washington State, are in critical condition

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  1. PeppermintTwist

    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Very disturbing when the first responders are ending up as the patients. Why was the protective gear inadequate? That is particularly disturbing. But the article goes on to explain how there are doctors who have not been taking those precautions. A bit confusing.
     
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    One of the worst aspects of the virus, unfortunately, is the likelihood that healthcare professionals are getting sick. The fact that one doctor is in his 40s and the other in his 70s and that healthcare professionals are having a problem getting access to proper equipment means that this threat is only going to get worse.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hardly enough information to go attempting to spread more panic. One was in his 70's and we know nothing about if underlying issues exist...
     
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    It's about the spread not about the individual prognosis. I don't know why they are all not wearing the appropriate gear regardless of them knowing whether or not everyone they examine has the virus or not. The response time to this has been shameful.
     
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    Have you seen the global map of this thing? That's where you see shameful responses. Countries with a fraction of population and many more deaths. Nobody knows the truth in China. Would you rather be in any of those countries? No doubt patriotic Americans would gladly go fund your ticket...
     
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    Im a first responder and practice emergency medicine.

    I have done this for 2 decades.

    What makes it "particularly disturbing"?
     
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    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump screwed up and people have died and will continue to die thru no fault of their own! I cannot believe folks are actually willing to die on this hill for a morally bankrupt monstrosity who clearly does not give a crap about them. A most bizarre phenomenon.
     
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    That is what I want to know. Even with PPE we still get sick.
     
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    Strawman. You going to answer it?
     
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    If not having proper protective gear, that is what is "disturbing".

    But having considerable amounts of time next to EMTs while they arrive with patients, that some don't care much about protective gear.

    But the current virus seems very infective in ways that are not yet clear. The younger people seem to have not high risk, but other patients and the public especially older people, seem to be very vulnerable.

    Not being careful for OTHER people, even if not to themselves, is damn "disturbing".
     
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    I think it boils down to appeal to authority. Progressives believe scientists can’t be wrong, journalists can’t lie, doctors can’t bungle a PPE removal and get sick, all teachers are heroes, blah, blah...

    It’s all emotion and brainwashing.
     
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    Based on the experience in Iran, nurses and physicians treating patients with the virus are among the most likely to catch it even wearing protective gear and taking the typical precautions. And it stand to reason: having so many people around you that are carrying the virus, you are bound to drop your guard at some point and end up catching the virus anyway even if you are doing everything right most of the time.
     
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    We have the proper ppe's.

    I care about ppe's and we dont go without.

    We are more than careful for other people guy.

    To care about the current virus is to know its signs and symptoms.

    Viri tend to be worse for the elderly, that's typical.
     
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    Yes its true.
     
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    You need to calm down and stop intentionally trying to spread more lies and unfounded panic.

    No matter what protective clothing you wear, if you are in contact with contagious people constantly, there is always a higher risk that you will get infected.

    It has nothing to do with "willing to die" for Trump. Good Lord!
     
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    Trump is Trump and anyone who has a clue wouldn't take what he says seriously anyway. But there are a lot of people, including some posters here, who have been encouraging a lax posture towards the threat posed by the Coronavirus who are doing a great disservice to both the health and the economy of their country. Ultimately, the truth about Covid-19 is that (absent a vaccine) it will eventually spread widely and most people will catch the virus. The real issue is whether the spread will be sudden so as to overtake the capacity of the health care system, or more gradual, in which case health care systems will be better able to handle the problem. Economically, preaching a lax posture only postpones the problem from one that is manageable to one that will be impossible to manage as well.

    This isn't just an issue in the US either. In Iran, and everywhere else, the same issue is seen as well. The government in Iran (and even more so, Iran's top leadership as well as the revolutionary guards) at first took a very lax attitude about the virus, comparing it constantly to the flu, partly to prevent panic but also for both political reasons (encouraging voter turnout in elections) and to avoid more immediate strains on the economy. Once the situation got out of hand, the whole system has been playing 'catch up'. Right now, however, the roles have reversed: Iran's revolutionary guards appears more interested in taking more serious steps to control the spread of the virus than the Rouhani administration, who is dead set against any legal mandates closing any businesses or forcibly closing off travel within the country and doing similar things. Even what Italy has done, the Rouhani administration has been resisting. Their main concern is both economic (they argue Iran's can't afford such an economic hit) as well as political (concern that they will find their authority taken up by the military and revolutionary guards if the situation becomes one that is akin to martial law in a quarantine). Their economic concern, however, is misplaced: punting the ball to when the situation is truly dire will make the economic consequences much worse. There is a huge difference between say a million people getting ill over the course of a whole year and the same number getting ill over the course of a few weeks. In the former situation, you can still manage the problem and have enough hospital beds, doctors and nurses to take care of the problem. In the latter situation, the country would not be able to the numbers all at once. The same principle applies to the US as well.
     
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    They aren't dying because of Trump. They are dying of a virus that we can't inoculate against and have no vaccine. If anyone is to blame it's that witch Mother Nature and China. Way to make all political all the time, that seems to excuse you folks from using any logic...
     
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    Talk about bizarre, they have cooked up a plan to offer college grads some money to pay off their school loans if they sign up to become cannon fodder in the infantry.
    Why would a person who has worked hard to graduate from higher learning want to surrender their identity and future to become a mindless, obedient grunt in the military?
    I suspect that they have calculated that a significant portion of them would be killed while serving and then they are off the hook for the school loan offer.
     
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    No mask stops a virus. An N95 mask stops 95% of particulates larger than a certain size, and that certain size is about twice as big as a typical virus. Nothing human-powered filters out all particles of virus size. They do however catch most virus for a while, but every time you breath through it, you pull virus farther through the filter material until eventually you pull them all the way through. Most airborne virus live in mucus that is aerosolized in human breath in vapor particles. The mask does stop these vapor particles. But if the virus can live outside the vapor particles, then it will eventually get through the mask and into the wearer. The longer the wearer uses the mask and the more dense the concentration of virus in the air (and thus in the mask), the more likely the wearer gets infected anyway.

    The only systems that block viruses 100% are stored-air systems, like SCBAs which require the wearer to either be tethered to an air supply or carry an air tank with them, or possibly powered-filter systems, which I only presume even exist. Neither are suitable for the ER setting where movement and communication are essential.

    The bottom line is that they could've been using the best PPE 100% properly and still get infected.
     
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    They think we don't care.
     
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    That was one of the most informative posts I've ever read anywhere on the internet. And I'm not even joking. We need this kind of expertise in public forums and communities while dealing with the situation. So I looked up SCBA's and it basically looked like the mask that firefighters use. So I kind of doubt that those are in heavy supply. Do you think they could make like a miniature, commercialized version of such mask's to deal with this current crisis(or at least for the doctors) or no?
     
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    What has Trump got to do with a virus that originated in China?
     
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    They want to project that you do not care.
     
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    It only took a few posts to bring up Trump. Every one of these Corona virus threads ends up with the same effort to blame Trump. TDS at work.
     
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    Seriously?

    You are adding nothing to the conversation. Do the postmortem when this is over.

    We need a new forum category, political pandemic panic.
     

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