New German Battle Ship capable to fire projectiles into space

When is the last time the US won a war? How many thousands of American soldiers lie dead and rotting in coffins due to wars that were based on lies? How many trillions of dollars has the US wasted on failed wars? Maybe you should try fixing yourself before laughing at Germany. Just a thought.

 

You know, I never bought the narrative of Holocaust "denialists", but the more I see people like you try to silence them, the more I begin to wonder if they might be right. Ironic, isn't it? That your attempts to censor speech and thought is having the opposite effect you intended? And it's even more ironic when you consider how censorship is something the Nazis themselves practiced quite vigorously.

 

Oh wow... you might actually have to debate them now. You must be horrified.

 

I suspect they must believe in freedom of speech and thought. A terrifying thought, no doubt.

 

lol

Look at all the little snowflakes melting because their censorious impulses aren't being accommodated anymore.

BRAVO to the MODS for respecting FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

 

This is something that has always bothered me about the conventional wisdom concerning the Holocaust. As a big believer in freedom generally and freedom of speech specifically, I have always had a problem with attempts to censor and otherwise silence Holocaust skeptics and the like, even if i didn't agree with what they are saying. I believe the best way to confront bad or wrong ideas is to DEBATE them with LOGIC and EVIDENCE. Yet the curators of the conventional wisdom surrounding the Holocaust seem terrified of an actual debate, so much so that they must resort to onerous censorship of their opponents. I must admit, it does make you wonder why they're so desperate to avoid a real debate.

 

2003 against Iraq.

 

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Yeah, PF has been considered stormfront lite for quite a while and is close to suffering the same fate. Enjoy it while it last.

 

I've been accused of sympathizing with Nazis because my avatar is seen as too much like the Nazi Party icon. Despite no swastika and the GOP elephant.

 

Incorrect. The war in Iraq was a massive failure that harmed America severely. Those responsible for it are total disgraces.

 

Considered by who? A few Zionist shills and fanatics who spread Israeli propaganda nonstop?

 

I always finding it amusing when someone who supports censorship of speech accuses the OTHER person of being a Nazi...

 

Hitler attacked almost every country that bordered Germany. Even Africa and Greece were not safe from Nazi aggression. He tried to conquer the Soviet Union. His plan was to murder and enslave Eastern European residents to rob their lands and settle Germans there. He also murdered over 6 Million Jews in the Holocaust. And then he declared war on the US. Hitler was a devil dressed as a human. He had to be stopped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vLrTNKk89Q

 

The Gulf War.

70,000, mostly in Vietnam. Trillions in today's dollars.

WW2 killed 3% of all the people on earth. No comparison.

 

Saddam Hussein, his military, his regime, his family were all destroyed. That is a victory by any measure and you would be foolish not to admit it.

 

There is nothing wrong with censoring hate speech. I'm pretty sure that Germany itself classifies Holocaust denial as "hate speech".

 

And after more than two years on the sidelines, we decided to take the Axis out. We almost lost. Thank god that didn't happen.

 

Almost lost? Come on, there was never a doubt. The only possible way Hitler could win after he declared war on the US was to get the A-bomb first and even Speer knew that was impossible so their nuclear research went into power generation instead of weapons in 43 or 44. And we didn't decide to take the Axis out, we were attacked first and then had war declared on us.

 

The only way Hitler could win was to keep the USA out of the conflict. But Hitler was a gambler. He always put everything on one card. It was only a matter of time when he would lose everything.

But suppose Hitler had won WW2. This won't have been good for so many people.

 

That he was. I read one very detailed book on the eastern front and he gambled on very risky grounds when advised otherwise and it paid big dividends in the beginning of the war. But like all gamblers, he didn't know when to stop and when the tide turned his gambles almost always resulted in failure.

 

Battles and entire wars are usually won or lost because one of the sides makes decisive mistakes!
The list of mistakes made by Hitler and his ass crawlers is long ... very long!
Let's take Dunkirk and the successful evacuation of the BEF ... only possible because Hitler and Goering made a mistake and saved hundreds of thousands of British soldiers from captivity.
Let's take the air battle for England, won by the RAF only because the Germans made a lot of mistakes (e.g. completely ignored the British radar!).
Both together and without the mistakes made, would have thrown the British out of the war = surrender!
I could go on for a long time with the list of mistakes that Hitler made lucky ... but I just want to mention the German jets like the Messerschmidt Me-262, which could have been used about 1 year earlier! Anyone can imagine the impact on the air war / bomb war. The B-17 and B-24 and others would have been cannon fodder and US pilots would have committed suicide!
And the famous P-51 Mustang was almost not really there in Europe ... and even if it was, against massive Me-262 attackers, they would have been helpless too!

So .. what I want to say is that there was a number of issues where Hitler could have won the war far before he declared war to the US and even after, the issue could have run otherwise as it did fortunately in reality.

 

My issue is we all know they killed roughly milions of jews but they always seem to forget that there where roughly 11miljon killed total
including many russians, slavic and their own germans alike and all sorts of people, you dont hear much of that


https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#/media/Bestand:WWII-HolocaustDeaths-Pie-All.svg
from the dutch wikipedia

 

He wasn't a gambler, he didn't have any choice. Germany's fuel reserves were critical and so was the food shortage. He had to invade Russia while he still had the means to do it and there was only a small windows of opportunity to do it. The defeat is due to his generals who had no idea of the logistical and political situation. They kept asking for more planes, guns and tanks when there wasn't enough fuel and chemicals to keep the one presently in service operational 100%.

The food shortage was also hitting germany hard and left it at the mercy of her conquered countries mercy. Starting in 1941, meat and fat ration had to be cut and german troops had to ship food back home to help their famillies.

The reason why Hitler declared war on the USA was in part because it would split the logistical aid the Russian were receiving from the USA since the USA would favor it's own armed forces first and they were not prepared to invade Europe soon.

 

Of course we hear about them. But their situation were different. Most of the russian who were exterminated were prisonners of war. The german didn't have enough ressources to feed it's own soldier and they wouldn't waste any feeding the russian, who by the way, weren't a signatory to the geneva convention in regard to POW treatment. Most died of hunger.

But only the Jews and the Roma were targetted for extermination on the base of a national policy and specially hunted and deported from all over europe. If the german had restricted their policy to the german jews and roma, you probably wouldn't hear so much about it today, as sad as it is.

 

I heard that there was a total of ~13 Million victims who died because of Nazi violence.

About 6 million Jews,
3.3 million Soviet POWs,
2,5 million Christian Poles,
about 100,000 forced laborers from the SU,
about 500.000 murdered Yugoslavs in German concentration camps,
about 100.000 Czech civilians,
about 84.000 non-Jews were killed during Jew deportation from north- and south-European countries (including Italy),
about 220.000 Gypsies of different nationalities,
about 100.000 Germans who were mentally ill or disabled.
And finally, about 130.000 non-Jews of German nationality were murdered because of political or religious reasons or because they fought against the Nazi regime.