Should police officers be held responsible for poor judgement when a shooting occours?

~ Crime is down in general yes. But Chicago ? Baltimore ? Detroit ? Los Angeles ... Look at the politics in those cities and see something in common. My generation view is of America - not the world.
The post I was responding to states crime is up because police officers are restricted by too much oversight. I disagree.

 

~ USA TODAY - from October 2019. Police misconduct records :

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/04/24/usa-today-revealing-misconduct-records-police-cops/3223984002/

 

That's a Nothing burger, 850 per year are you serious, given the animals and human garbage they have interface with.

Get real, you have no clue what so ever of what the job entails or requires when dealing with the public.

 

~ It sounds like neither do you ...

 

Your answer indicates you have no clue of what you are posting.

You understand zero about law enforcement and your posts and attacks against one who has actual experience of working on the streets confirms that.

That stated, are you a certified LEO and if not, how many hours have you spent riding with LEO's on the street?

 

~ The authoritarian complex is old and boring. There is no balance - only black & white. Fortunately we seem to be moving away from that antiquated mindset.
Perhaps some folks should change their name to "Leo" ... ? ´

 

In other words, you concede the fact you have zero experience in law enforcement or the reality of how it works, have been critical of one who does, and are just pulling so called information out of your backside.

Good deal, I thank you for publically admitting you are clueless about the subject at hand.

And your diversion of the subject is duly noted.

You are now dismissed from this thread, because by your own admission, which you have admitted to being totally lacking any knowledge about the core subject.

Good bye and have a good day.

 

~ This is what you hear after a vehicle citation ...

 

And once again is an admission you have no clue about law enforcement.

 

Sorry I do not off hand know the crime situation for all the cities you post about however however I do know Detroit an the crime rate is must must lower then it was just a decade or so ago.

 

How about Frank Castle?

Or David Soul and the boys?


The idea that we let ordinary citizen carry out increasingly sophisticated and complex police work is LUDICROUS! We do not need fewer yet better educated cops, we need streetwise police officers who can mulit-task but be tough when necessary, including killing as a last resort. Problem in recent years has been mission creep, people expect police to do too much, social work instead of that pro-active, aggressive Daryl Parker policing style which has proven so necessary.

 

~ I think you mean Daryl Gates and/or William Parker.

 

So your suggesting that police officers shouldnt face some kind of penalty or even a charge of negligence when they, due to their own poor judgement, injure or kill another person?

 

Tell that to Walsh's widow.

Or maybe he should have brought a couch his note pad, and had the guy lie down and they could work out the shooters frustrations, yea right, I'll state it again when it comes to law enforcement you're clueless.

"Springfield Police Officer Christopher Walsh and three civilians were murdered by an active shooter late Sunday night.

Springfield, MO – A Springfield police officer and three civilians were murdered by an active shooter inside a gas station late Sunday night.

A second Springfield police officer and another citizen were wounded, ABC News reported.

Springfield police responded to the area after receiving “multiple shooting calls throughout the city,” Springfield Police Chief Paul Williams said during a press conference on Monday.

While they were en route to the area at approximately 11:43 p.m., the gunman crashed his vehicle into a Kum & Go store, then ran inside and opened fire."

“In essence, we had a roving active shooter,” Chief Williams explained during the press conference.

Springfield Police Officer Christopher Walsh and Officer Josiah Overton were the first to arrive at the scene, ABC News reported.

They were immediately shot by the gunman.

https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesma...-roving-active-shooter-jYtTL-3-P0GZb7daEQbThw

Or maybe Dalsh.

After suffering catastrophic brain damage, NYPD Detective Dalsh Veve requires a wheelchair and constant care.

Brooklyn, NY – A gang member who nearly killed a New York police officer by dragging him with a stolen car walked out of a juvenile detention center as a free man on Wednesday.

https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesma...ed-after-slap-on-wrist-eRQtm8H2DEWD53eldDA6fg

Officials released police bodycam video from shootout in Jersey City that left six people dead in December of 2019.

Jersey City, NJ – Police have released additional surveillance footage and bodycam video from inside the terrifying Jersey City shootout that left two suspects, three civilians, and one police officer dead (video below).

https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesma...tack-which-left-6-dead-8frgxn5h50yuDlrJSvAyOQ

A Hot Springs Police Department officer was fatally shot Tuesday night.

Hot Springs, AR - A Hot Springs Police Department officer was fatally shot during a traffic stop Tuesday night.

And it go's on and on and on and you think violence is not a major part of the job, what a load of crap.

 

They already do face penalties every time they shot someone.

 

it is EXTREMLEY rare.

 

Incorrect, they face penalties every time, but like all U.S. citizens they have the right to a fair trial and it at that point, based on the evidence presented, they, more often than not are found to have acted within the scope of their duty, and / or where in fear of their life, when they pulled the trigger.

 

Most DA's will always take the cop's side.

In many situations, and cities, cops have a virtual license to kill.

And, since they are aware of that, they frequently rape and kill with impunity.

That said, there are cases (maybe 1 in 1,000) where cops are held accountable.

But, even in those cases where a "Cop takes a Conviction", it usually ends up as a 1st Degree Murder Charge being plea-bargained to Negligent Homicide.

Cops are Rarely (If ever) held responsible.

It is what it is.:smh:

 

Only in your world, which is not the real world at all.

 

Because instances where they shoot unlawfully is extremely rare.

If you'd ignore media matters you'd know that.

 

If you resist being arrested. If you don't immediately do whatever a policeman tells you to do you are in actuality a threat to his life.
The cop doesn't know you and cannot read your mind or know your intentions.
If you do not comply immediately you should EXPECT to get hurt or killed.

If your innocent that will come out in our legal process.

 

Should police officers be held responsible for poor judgement when a shooting occours?
Yes. Police officers aren't forced into their jobs. They seek them out & pass rigid tests to qualify. But their job is both dangerous & filled with a high level of personal responsibility. We are all human, & subject to mistakes. So are they. But lives are at stake when they make mistakes, so they must be held accountable in some way. I'm not suggesting they should be punished. I'm saying their decisions should be considered when assigning them police responsibilities. For those prone to misjudgments often, perhaps moving them inside to an office job would be advisable. Or something in that vein.

 

Some departments such as the BSO already does just that, they take Deputies who cannot cut it off road patrol and assign them to schools as SRO's, where they help deliver school supplies to the class rooms, sleep in their cars while on duty, diddle under-aged girls and like Deputy Scot Peterson (17 Juliet 3) (17 = District 17 Parkland, Juliet = Juvenile division, 3 = Deputy three in that district) did, flee the school to a safe place when an active shooter entered the school and began killing people, screw the children, he's retiring, or so he thought.

• ALPHA - 6pm-6am (11pm-7am for cities that are NOT on the new 12-hour shift schedule)
• BRAVO - 6am-6pm (7am-3pm for cities that are NOT on the new 12-hour shift schedule)
• CHARLIE - 3pm-11pm (for cities that are NOT on the new 12-hour shift schedule)
• BAKER - Baker Act Unit
• DELTA - Sergeants
• ECHO - Lieutenants
• FOXTROT - Special Detail/Homeless Outreach/Community Services
• GOLF - S.W.A.T Officer
• HOTEL - Jail/Prisoner Transport
• INDIA - Field Training Officer
• JULIET - School Police Officers
• K-9 - Dog/K9 Unit
• KILO - Criminal Investigation Detective
• MOTOR - Motorcycle Unit
• NOVEMBER - Park Ranger/Parking Enforcement
• OSCAR - Marine Units
• PAPA - Aviation Unit/Sheriff's Helicopter
• QUEBEC - Less Lethal/Quick Response Force
• ROMEO - Reserve/Auxiliary Deputy
• SIERRA - Sheriff/UnderSheriff/Colonel/Lt.Colonel/Major/Captain
• TANGO - Traffic Unit/Aggressive Driving Enforcement/DUI Task Force/Commercial Vehicle Enforcement
• UNIFORM - Off Duty
• VICTOR - Vice Squad/Organized Crime Unit/OCB
• WHISKEY - Civil Employee/Non-Police
• X-RAY - Communications/Dispatch Sub-Station Annex/Community Service Aide
• YANKEE - Narcotics/Street Crimes Detective
• ZULU - Community Service Aide/Public Safety Aide/Accident Investigator/Non-Armed

 

i think every situation certainly should be scrutinized if nothing else for lessons to make training better..

I saw a horrible video a few months ago of a police officer asking for help specifically asking for a tazer to be employed against a violent subject. Another officer grabs her for her tazer and instead grabs her gun and shoots the subject.. The problem was her police organization trained their people to carry the tazer and the sidearm on the same side of their body.

we can always do better.. but i think we are doing pretty darn good

 

1. Yes, William Parker and Daryl Gates
2. No, my attitude is that they should get special treatment as we don't expect anyone else to do the same job and face the same life and death judgement calls.
3.Please do tell me how the US police get away with THOUSANDS of rapes and murders, this is the US not the Congo?
4. Police are not prosecuted because they do nothing wrong, 99.9% of those they shoot are absolutely asking for it, the remaining .1% are tough judgement calls they got wrong in the heat of the moment without malice or premeditation.