Are you tired of "Winning" yet?

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  1. Lucifer

    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    As this pandemic and its eventual wake of chaos continues to exponentially increase by the day, how much more proof do the Trump loyalists need to render the verdict the rest of the country has been aware of for the past three years?

    At what point do you begin to reassess your devotion to Trump? Is it a month? Is it when you lose your job permanently? Is it when a friend or family member gets infected? At what point does it begin the long thoughtful evaluation of Donald J. Trump, the 45th president of the United States?

    Or is the cult influence too much for you to break free?

    This thread is meant as a discussion for Trump loyalists to discuss whether Trump deserves a second term in spite of his horrible handling of this epidemic.
     
  2. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    DOW has the worst point drop in history, thanks Trump

    if he wants to take the credit for everything, that includes both the good and the bad
     
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  3. Lucifer

    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    I understand....it's difficult to come to the realization that your demagogue is unable to meet his rhetoric.

    I'll wait.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's sad. This administration has no signature legislation whatsoever. The touted the stock market as their "great accomplishment".

    I'm sure the stock market will recover. But we will always remember that it was Trump's lack of leadership and incompetence that brought it down.
     
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    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    It's the worst failed experiment for a presidency in my lifetime.
     
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    Interesting opinion piece, or a warning?

    Be careful. Trump may exploit the coronavirus crisis for authoritarian ends


    Donald Trump’s Oval Office address on coronavirus was terrifying because it revealed a man completely unmatched to the moment. Even though he was reading from a teleprompter, the president got the details of his major policy announcements wrong. He attempted no emotional connection with or comfort of the tens of millions of Americans whose lives are being upended by the threat of the disease. He didn’t even have anything useful to say about what his own top scientist has described as America’s “failing” testing regime, which has screened about as many people all year as South Korea does in a day. In a presidency accustomed to lows, this one was quite literally sickening.

    Trump had an unusual deer-in-the-headlights quality during his address, seeming to reveal that even he realizes his lie-and-deny operation cannot last for much longer. His allies in the media are busy trying to downplay the virus, but anyone who switches over to a real news channel can see what is happening in Italy, where doctors feel forced to leave the elderly to die and hospitals are struggling to bury the dead. With estimates of the number of Americans who might require intensive care running into the millions and only about 45,000 ICU beds available in the US, similar scenes might soon be playing out at home.

    When Trump and his allies can no longer lie or deny, we can expect them to move on to the next phase of their crisis management playbook: attacking their enemies. It is already clear that they intend to interpret the virus not primarily as an existential threat to millions of Americans, but as an existential threat to their own political power. With the markets tumbling and Trump’s re-election suddenly in doubt, it is only a matter of time before the right goes on the offensive. When they do, it won’t be the virus in their sights, but the familiar foes: journalists, experts, blue states, immigrants and people of color.

    At this point, the coronavirus pandemic will intersect with Trump’s authoritarian impulses in truly frightening ways. With parts of the country experiencing levels of privation and death rarely seen in peacetime, Trump will feel justified in invoking emergency powers. In a declared state of emergency, the president has extraordinary powers, including the ability to freeze an American’s finances and deprive them of the ability to legally work, to control digital communications, and to deploy the military domestically. Aside from these enumerated items, Trump has repeatedly shown that he anyway believes that there are no legal or constitutional limits on presidential authority.

    Most worrying of all are the implications for immigrant communities and people of color. Trump has repeatedly demonstrated that he has a racialized view of who is a “true” American, from denying Barack Obama’s citizenship to telling congresswomen of color born in the US to “go back” to where “they came” from. It would be extraordinary if this doesn’t at the very least color his decisions on where to send federal aid and how to deploy his emergency powers. There is also a disturbing likelihood that Trump will attempt to stoke racism in order to rally his base and present the coronavirus as an alien plot against (white) America.

    Already the right has shown a tendency to lash out at foreigners in its response to the virus, from insisting on labeling it “Wuhan coronavirus” to carrying out border closures while doing little to stop transmission within the United States. In a bizarre statement, Senator Tom Cotton even threatened to “hold accountable those who inflicted it on the world”. Once the virus is undeniably established in America, it is all too likely that this animus and psychological need for scapegoats will be directed at those the right considers alien interlopers at home. The results – both from the misuse of state power, and from privately – inflicted terrorism and violence – could be profound.

    It is also time to start worrying about the 2020 election. If the economy has crashed, there are countless dead, and Trump is badly trailing in the polls, it is almost inevitable that he will attempt to cast doubt on the wisdom and legitimacy of holding a November election. He would not have to do anything so drastic as to attempt to call off the election – instead, he could call for his supporters to boycott it, then simply refuse to acknowledge the result. If the Republican party faces an electoral wipeout, its craven behavior over the last few years can give us no confidence that the party would defend the democratic process and eject Trump from the White House.

    In short, nothing in Trump’s record – or that of his ardent base, whose political support is all he cares about – can lead us to believe that he will use his power to protect and serve all Americans equally in a time of unprecedented crisis. He might look like a deer in the headlights right now, but soon enough he will snap back to the unreality he lives in and deploy the only political trick he knows: rallying his base, abusing his power, trashing his foes. Many Americans will have to deal with the reality of a president who is not only incompetent to defend them but doesn’t even regard them as legitimate Americans worthy of protection. This epidemiological crisis is also a political one. We should prepare to defend against both.

    Andrew Gawthorpe is a historian of the United States at Leiden University
     
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    So trump and Pence cooked this epidemic up in their private lab......wouldn't you get a tingle up your leg if that was the headline in the NY Time, even if you knew it was a lie? You would promote that lie because your hatred is so stirred up like most on the left, you couldn't see the positive that has been done to spite your face. Trump well deserves a second term and he will get it. Comrade Bernie and Quid Pro Joe will be written off and forgotten after 2020.
     
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    I will be apathetic to Trump till death to differentiate myself from Taxi and the Matt lionization.
    I don’t care if he gets re-elected but I will vote for whoever the dem nominee is. I vote Bernie in the primary but I hope he loses. I just wish Biden wasn’t the nominee
     
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    Tired of winning yet?

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    More like the deep state globalists manufactured a virus and set Trump up
     
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    You make a clear point. When Trump is responsible for something, like the inspiring leadership that gave the investment world confidence in an economy that has proven itself, deny it even happens.
    When the Chinese hide a disastrous biological issue that precipitates a world crisis, and the president is moving at record speed to mitigate both the virus and it's economic effects, blame him for the existence of the virus in the first place. That's not politics. It's pathetic.
    That kind of crap has been the centerpiece of the democratic hate-buffet for more than three years, and ONLY the democrats/liberals/socialists feed on it.

    Trump is right now again proving why he is the most competent leader of your lifetime, that he is vastly more suited to the task than either of the wienies the Democrats want to run against him.
    You know this is true- despite the denials. EVERYBODY knows this is true. Just set aside the hate, and the will to damage the nation in order to get one of those fools in power. We've got bigger fish to fry right now.
     
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    I think you should wait until the pandemic has run its course before rendering judgement. Italy is much worse off, or is that Trump's fault also?
     
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    Come on now Dayton - you did not actually read the whole thing did you ?
     
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    I don't buy your argument which infers that Trump should be held responsible for the Pandemic.
     
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    Of course I did.
     
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    I don't think Trump is likely to exploit corona for Authoritarian ends either - and not on a personal basis - we shall see.

    The Establishment on the other hand - I would not put it past them. Lets cross our fingers and hope for some civility.
     
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    the deep state republicans propped up the stock market as long as they could, just like under Bush jr, it was only a matter of time, they just hoped to push it on to the next dem President, they failed this time and they failed under Bush

    Trump pick for the fed helped him all he could
     
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    Boy people on this thread are gonna feel a special kind of way when Trump utterly demolishes whoever the Dems put on the chopping block this election.
     
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    Calling it another hoax and saying it will go to ZERO cases when the weather gets warm, is moving at record speeds?
    Of what? Denial? Of not ever taking responsibility? On that I'd agree. Record speeds on lack of leadership.
     
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    Democrats will not close the borders to protect Americans. They don't respect borders and believe closing them is xenophobic and racist.

    If a Democrats or neo-communist was president, Coronavirus would be 10x worse in America and our healthcare system would be totally overwhelmed by foreign nationals seeking care paid for by Americans.
     
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    Coronavirus is the next Democrat "we got him now" event. It's like the steel dossier, access Hollywood tape, stormy Daniels moment

    I believe TDS is such that a lot of Democrats would choose to be loyal to xi and China over trump and America. Democrats even send their friends and family to serve on boards of companies there to provide them inside access to American government.
     
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    They think Biden is the solution. :/
     
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    Still not tired of winning.
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    Why are you inventing things that were never said or implied?

    Wise people respond appropriately to changes, risks, dangers and opportunities. Those lacking that capacity have only two responses- total denial or freak out and blame someone else.
     

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