About the Holocaust

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  1. Quasar44

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    I am just going to ignore any Holocaust denier !!
    You cannot reason and I dont want to argue
     
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    Does Germany and Poland have a lot of Holocaust Deniers
    The US does !!!
     
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    Not so much anymore.

    We still have the infamous Horst Mahler, who was once a criminal defense lawyer for left-wing terrorists. Shortly after that, he became a Neo-Nazi and HC denier.

    Then we have Ursula Haverbeck. During the Nazi era, she was a member of the Hitler Youth.

    Both are quite old and are in prison. If they die, the topic of Holocaust denial in Germany will probably be over.

    As far as I know, nobody in Poland denies the HC. Non-Jewish Poles also suffered greatly from Nazi terror. I think if someone denies HC in Poland he gets a lot of trouble with the people around him.
     
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    Thats a really tough one, not sure anyone can figure that one out!
    We know the score in Germany today!

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    German freedom of speech, dont want to incite hatred against the people that committed crimes and atrocities against Germans!

    Thanks for that post you made my day! Proves what life under da J-Ws is all about! Proves brainwashing works!


    So you are from Germany? You need to help these Marxi-Zio-Commies out and post some MATERIAL evidence that any of the 'J-W as victim' holocaust fairy tail is true.

    Tell us also what math is being used to compute 1.1 million people (MOSTLY J-Ws) were gassed at auschwitz when we have the records and we know that there were less that 375,000 people total that ever set foot in auschwitz.

    You will get a medal of honor for defending the holocaust laws if you can do it.
     
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    Your link actually reads quite matter of factly and believable.
    I have a link from the other side of the divide... in particular about the gas trucks. Although it is in German, I hope you still remember enough to get the gist of it. I will google-translate the first part:
    In German:
    Doch die Massenvergasungen, die sie selbst erfunden und durchgeführt hatten, log die Holocaust-Industrie nach dem Krieg ganz einfach Adolf Hitler in die Schuhe!

    Selbstverständlich weiß mittlerweile ein Großteil der denkenden Bevölkerungen, dass die Geschichte von der Judenvergasung durch Adolf Hitler die größte Lüge der Menschheitsgeschichte ist. Was die meisten nicht wissen ist die Tatsache, dass der Kern und Ursprung der Behauptung tatsächlich wahr ist.

    Es waren nämlich Juden, bolschewistische Kommissare der Sowjetunion, die die russischen Bauern und die "Denkfeinde" des Sowjetmenschen in dafür umgebauten Lastwagen vergasten. Da sie selbst dieses grausame Ausrottungsverbrechen erfanden und ausführten, lasteten sie ihre eigene Völkermord-Vita (weil sie darin Experten waren und nicht erst lange nachdenken mussten) nach dem Ende ihres gegen Deutschland entfachten Vernichtungskrieges ganz einfach Adolf Hitler an. Das war auch der Grund, warum anfangs nur von "Gaswagen" die Rede war, als die Gesamtlüge noch nicht richtig ausgebrütet war. Der ehemalige prominente jüdische Auschwitz-Häftling Benedikt Kautsky erklärte der Menschheit 1946, dass er in Auschwitz keine Vergasungen mitbekommen habe. Er hat also nicht die "langen Schlangen" gesehen gehabt, "die 24 stundenlang zur Vergasung anstanden" usw. Aber, so Kautsky, andere hätten ihm "glaubwürdig versichert", dass in Auschwitz tatsächlich vergast worden sei, und zwar mit Kohlenoxyd, also mit Gaswagen. Kautsky schreibt: "Verwendet wurde in Auschwitz-Birkenau zumeist Kohlenoxyd, so dass die Menschen in wenigen Minuten erstickten."

    http://concept-veritas.com/nj/16de/zeitgeschichte/02nja_als_judenvergasungen_anders_herum.htm
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    Sorry, the Translation is not very smooth and I am too tired to fiddle with it.
    I have a feeling that the German article does exist somewhere in English. Maybe, when I come back on deck, I'll go hunt for it!
     
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    Don’t fall into that trap of lies from the Holocaust deniers
    It’s as factual and true as WW2 and the civil war
    .Save yourself before you plunge into the “ black hole “ of being a neo-Nazi and denier of history
     
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    I hate Holocaust deniers.
    They are the ultimate filth of humanity.
     
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    Thank you for your response and I appreciate your concern about my being deceived.

    Yes, WW 2, WW 1 and the Civil War we're real and horrific events however the narratives surrounding those tragic episodes vary considerably from event to event .

    In evaluating those widely differing narratives it is important to remember two salient realities:

    - the victors write the history.
    - all participants employ dishonest and exaggerated propaganda in an attempt to demonize their adversaries & inflate their war crimes.

    Concerning WW 2, I think that it is naive to believe that only the Axis powers used propaganda and everything claimed by the Western Allies is truthful. Therefore, critical thinking is essential if we are to arrive at anything resembling the truth.

    As a participant in the Vietnam War, I saw, first hand, the truthfulness of the maxim that:
    "The first casualty of war is the truth."

    Subsequently, I lived, worked and studied in Europe where I had the opportunity to hear the experiences of numerous Holocaust survivors and WW 2 Veterans from all different sides. Additionally, I have done a fair amount of independent research over the decades none of which has been tainted by an affinity for Neo Nazism or anti Semitism.

    The sum of these experiences has led me to conclude that there is very little that is truthful in what has become the standard holocaust narrative.

    Yes, many of the Roma, Jews, communists etc were rounded up and placed in work camps to contribute to the German war effort. Especially late in the war when food and medical supplies were low, many inmates died of typhus, malnutrition but nowhere is there any evidence to support the ultimate conspiracy theory that the Nazis executed millions of people in a systematic & industrialized manner in homicidal gas chambers and made their bodies disappear.

    Throughout the pages of this and related threads, not a single believer of the Holocaust conspiracy theory has been able to support the standard holocaust narrative with anything other than irrational, hate filled slander, demands for censorship and completely unfounded accusations of "Neo Nazi" & "anti Semite".

    Since this is a debate and discussion forum and you have chosen to post on this thread, I would be happy to discuss any aspect of the topic at hand in a calm, civil and respectful manner as per forum rules.

    Thanks,
     
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    I don't put much faith in the stories about "gas vans" because they would have been enormously impractical & inefficient for gassing a significant number of people.

    Why wouldn't the Nazis and their allies simply have shot those whom they wanted to execute like Genrikh Yagoda(1) did with his 10 million victims.

    I feel, rather, that "gas vans" in any significant number are a recent fabrication by the Holocaust Industry because there is no evidence for the existence of homicidal gas chambers.


    (1). "Stalin's Jews"

    "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people."CONTINUED
     
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    Because that would actually make sense!
     
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    I'm a nice German boy. Not a motherf....ng Nazi bastard. :)
     
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    Why so crazy, polemical and angry?
    Were you there?
    Were you one of the perpetrators? :(
     
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    You're right, but with such statements, you don't bring them to reason.
    They'll always take you for a lying Jew who fights them.

    No one can save an HC denier from his own madness.
    They have to see for themselves what dead-end they are in.
    There's no other way out.
     
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    I just gave you a bunch of specific examples of governments across history that wiped out millions of people and this is your response?

    Absolutely pathetic and stupid beyond belief.
     
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    My last name is very German / Jewish, but the dna pools of German and JEWS are not similar
     
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    Your information is straight out of Joseph Goebbels and your on iggy
     
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    You're just a very " good human being" and I agree that Israel has become too "right wing"

    Your English is actually flawless and better than majority of Americans lol
     
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    jeebus, why dont you 2 get a room already!
     
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    Did you know that most Americans are of German descent?
     
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    In USA
    We have 33 million Irish but 45 million German



    German more in central states and Irish in NE and deep South

    6 million Jews is enough lol
     
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    10 Reasons Why Hitler Was One Of The Good Guys

    1/. He never wanted to kill any Jews
    Whenever you hear anyone espouse (repeat) the lies about Hitler the nasty Jew-killer. Please always make a point of asking this very simple question: “Where did you get that information from?”
    If Hitler wanted to kill Jews, why oh why throughout all his speeches and manuscripts and his book Mein Kampf did he not mention this? Did he just forget? No, he didn’t say or write it BECAUSE HE HAD NO INTENTION OF KILLING THE JEWS.
    No matter what amount of destruction he had observed done by the Jews to his people; he had enough self-discipline and ethical code not to take revenge. Being a strong character, he was able to rise above the darkness, the demonic standards of the Judaic mindset and show self-restraint and humility.

    That is why he created ‘containment work camps’ for the Jews and certainly NOT death camps.

    2/. He cared about conditions for the Jews in the work camps

    Unbeknown to billions of people the Nazi camps were not death camps, nor were they places to carry out human experiments. They were simply containment camps. Something had to be done with these destructive anti-social Jews who were strangling Germany. Thanks to the Jews, Germany had lost it’s moral code and had become debased and de-cultured, does that ring a bell?

    Something had to be done! And Hitler did do something – he placed all the Jews in containment camps to allow Germany to breath again. But – this is the key point in this essay/piece. He did it in a way which was ethical. The camps had decent sufficient food (bearing in mind it was war time), they had theaters, swimming pools, football pitches, post offices where inmates could communicate to the outside world, kindergartens, art and music recreation and even prostitutes.


    Quality sanitation within the camps was paramount and that is why the inmates clothes were regularly de-loused with Zyklon B gas. There were no human gas chambers……THAT IS A BIG FAT KOSHER LIE; to which the world has had to endure for over half a century.

    My theory is that if there had not have been a war effort, Hitler would not have even made the Jews work. AND I bet you the containment camps would have been luxury rehabilitation centers. In order to slowly de-programme the Jews from their mind control cult.

    3/. He had compassion for other sentient beings

    Many historians claim he was a vegetarian. I believe this is true, but whether this it is or not, the point is he had a clear connection and affection for his fellow creatures. I’m not suggesting just because he may have been a veggie that therefore he was a good person; but this was a man of compassion and that he recognized the importance of compassion in society. He had so much affection for his German shepherds (picture above with his beloved dog). He banned all animal experimentation, recognizing it to be evil. Hitler could see the connection between all life forms. It was his level of consciousness. Respect for nature, animals and human life.


    4/. He tried to prevent the destruction of his fellow Europeans

    Numerous occasions Hitler tried to warn and assist his fellow brethren about the Jewish trap they had fallen for and who really was behind all the warmonger. He dropped fliers from planes trying in vein to prevent Germany and Britain fighting. He initially wanted to make alliances with Britain. Many occasions he gave opportunities to opposing European forces, where he could have slaughtered them. It was his internal spiritual angst for him to be fighting (defending) amongst his European brothers and sisters. He did all he could to avoid war, he was not the warmonger we all have been led to believe.

    5/. He cared passionately about his people and German heritage

    Hitler observed the degrading machinations of the Jews in Austria and Germany. It not only disgusted and angered him, but saddened him to see how these two nations were being destroyed from the inside out like a cancer – a cancer that his sleepy folksmen could not see. The exact same angst those of us who are Jew-conscious find ourselves in. He was a man who cared about society, a man who cared about culture, who cared about nature, about moral values and about building and improving as opposed to destroying and degrading.

    He was a man who had fought for his country, in the trenches and been hospitalized for his country. How many of our sell out politicians today can claim that? He was a true spokesman of the people, for the people who had diligently worked his way up from grass roots. From microcosmic pep talks to his fellow workman on building sites, to talks in beer houses, to speeches in basements, to town halls. As well as all the behind-the-scenes work and risks. Slung in jail, mocked and defamed. Endless tireless work to resolve the destruction of his peoples.

    I would also strongly suggest he cared about all peoples. Yes, including black people, despite the kosher myth he was a supremacist racist.

    6/. He was a humble man, from a humble background

    Can any of us name one present western politician who can claim that these days? No, today they’re all criminals, fed through the kosher criminal system. All built on materialistic gain and kudos. All content with serving the beast for their demonic and self-serving interests. Their greed and hubris having no boundaries.

    Hitler worked on building sites as a laborer for crying out loud. How many of these leaches under the guise of politicians do you know have that background? He was also a humble street artist, barely scraping a living together. Some days he had to decide whether to spend his meager earnings on a political book, or to eat – he opted for the former. Now that is passion in politics and a drive for social reform.

    7/. He held correspondence with Mahatma Gandhi

    This alone doesn’t necessarily suggest he was a good person. But more that Gandhi and Hitler were in alignment on many issues. They both recognized the evil force they were up against and both were coming from a humanitarian position. The bottom line is Gandhi would not have corresponded with a so-called evil mad dictator hell bent on wanting to kill the Jews and rule the world.


    8/. He was a man of God

    Hitler was NOT an atheist – despite what the Jewish propaganda machine wants us to believe. He often made references to God and spoke in terms of a Divinity. He was somebody who could clearly make the connection between Divine law and Natural laws. He was spiritually and morally driven throughout all his political career. Read his book Mein Kampf to see his consistent reference to Christian values.

    9/. He implemented cultural and social reform


    Throughout Hitler’s political career, his common theme was about ‘cleaning up’. He had seen the filth the Jews had created and desperately wanted Germany to reverse these degrading trends. He banned supermarkets, because he wanted local small businesses to prosper. He banned degrading modern art, as he recognized it for what it was. He banned vivisection (animal experiments), because in his wisdom he could see how futile and unnecessary they were.

    He encouraged healthy youth activities and social programmes to enhance cultural pride and individual self worth, such as sports and recreational activities. He encouraged men to be men and women to be feminine. He helped develop beauty, cleanliness and pride back into the Germany people.

    10/. He stamped on usury!!!

    This subject links in most of the points in this list and what Hitler achieved as a leader. But I thought it was essential that this topic was highlighted in isolation, as it was probably the single most important act of bravery and compassion Hitler offered to his people. Unfortunately this act alone was enough to piss off the Jewish IMF and therefore create WW2.

    Usury is the elite Jews most powerful and demonic weapon amongst their whole armament of destructive weapons. More powerful than their poisons and even their mind control techniques. Because it’s their use of compound interest that enables them to create a stranglehold on every industry and therefore every level of society. Nobody can escape usury – everybody is infected by it.

    That is why Hitler created his own independent currency as a first move when he came to power. And, hey presto – that is why Germany was able to get back on it’s feet and flourish as all nations should. Hitler recognized the Judaic invention of usury as unlawful, ungodly and unnatural – and as a Talmudic curse which has crippled every host nation the Jews have entered into and ultimately, that which brings about their demise.

    Hitler freed his people of this curse!!

    In Conclusion;

    Hitler was probably the hero of the second world war and the 21st century. A man of ethical courage, a man of spiritual perception and good intent. A spiritual soul who cared – cared about all life forms, all cultures, about goodness and Light and ultimately about Truth.

    Because he was one of the good guys.

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    In my opinion he won the war morally! If all the lies are stripped away, he will remain standing clean and upright.
    My small dislike was his overemphasis of glorification of the "1000 Year Reich". At the time, moderation in pomp and circumstances would have been more appropriate. But, I guess, he was still young and the successes and the admiration from the German people carried him away into Euphoria.

    Here is a video of a show for his 50th birthday...


    And here you see Berlin in 1945
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    75 years later Germany is under the thumb of the Jews and the USA, who have made sure it is overrun with male foreigners from Africa and the Middle East, as well as any other nationality in need of welfare.

    :cry:

    https://diggerfortruth.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/dcb76-hitleronchristianity.jpg?w=320&h=237
     
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    Trump hates the Mexicans. I don't know why. :(

    He's also of German descent. No Nazi, but racist.
    Trump is a big friend of Israel.
     
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    Hitler was nothing more than a cheap Charlie Chaplin copycat. :D

     
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