WOW! The First COVID-19 Vaccine Was Made in 'Record' Time and Just Given to 45 People in Seattle

Yeh, at some point some are going to have to be intentionally exposed to determine efficacy. That wouldn’t bother me as much as being the first to test the safety of the vaccine.

 

It's great to have a candidate vaccine.

But, this is a Phase 1 test, not a rollout.

This Phase 1 test involves two courses of treatment for each individual in the test. The second course will come in a few weeks.

Then there is the wait time until a decision on the safety and efficacy of the vaccine is made.

 

Glad you support this historically fast move

 

I’m optimistic after reading up some more on the company producing this vaccine and the type of vaccine it is.

First, the technology they are using is not new. While there are no licensed human “DNA” vaccines (yet), we’ve been using them in veterinary medicine for quite a while. The first to be licensed by the CDC was a West Nile virus vaccine for equines in 2005.

The problem with “DNA” vaccines in humans has been the lack of predicted immune response when trials move from lab animals (mice, etc.) to humans and other large animals. Recent advances have made everyone hopeful that we can overcome that problem, but the disclaimers by Fauci and the manufacturer seem to indicate to me they aren’t sure yet.

I believe the safety of the “DNA” technology is pretty well established theoretically and from trials. My concern with most vaccines is with carriers and adjuvants as we experience problems in the animal vaccine world on that side of the equation more often than problems even with mistakes in modified live formulations. We had to quit using a nasal respiratory vaccine a few years ago because of the side effects of the adjuvants when administered with other vaccines. Since efficacy of DNA type vaccines tends to decrease in humans as opposed to lab animals I’m concerned the adjuvant component of something like this may be quite aggressive and possibly not well tested. I’m not sure on that though without reading up on recent work in that area.

If this is successful, it is really a game changer. For example, this technology is (obviously) capable of quick turnaround times. And that will continue to improve. So if a virus were to mutate significantly, a new vaccine could be ready very shortly after identification of the new viral genome.

While there is a lot to be pessimistic about around here it seems, I think this is a definite bright spot. Even if vaccination isn’t what makes the difference this time, we are on the verge of a great leap forward in using genetics to improve our lives.

 

Nonsense

 

They're testing experimental vaccines for something that has thus far been less than the flu. I read that they contain immune system-altering proteins instead of dead virus and so on. It stinks.

 

They aren't evidence.

 

Hook line and sinker of the MSM. No one has claimed the virus is a Democrat hoax.

 

Yes, that part is great.

What's NOT great is that we will fight this pandemic WITHOUT a vaccine.

To do that, we have needed testing and social distancing from the very start. ALL experts knew that. (Even TRUMP claims he knew that from the start - LOL.) Yet, we were at least two months late, making our situation demonstrably worse.

And, even now we have news media purporting to be knowledgable, yet stating that our war on COVID is all hype and nosense!

 

LOL!!!

 

You can’t have a vaccine without a virus. Socialist China gave this new thing to us, and we are fighting

 

Screw this mass produce it and give to all citizens asap, it will maybe work or maybe not but if yes you stopped this cold

 

'Less than the flu' for you maybe but potentially fatal for anyone in the population who is old/infirm/sick. But if your not in that sub-group I guess it doesn't matter who dies right?

As for the rest what do you think 'dead virus' vaccines do? They expose the body to immune system-altering proteins (your words). Same principal, different vehicle, that's all. Anyway there are a couple of dozen projects underway as I write all aimed at developing a vaccine using different technologies. Chances are that those that pan up will probably end up being used in tandem with one or two others to produce a single 'vaccine' that gives best possible protection.

 

I just read on a Greek site that China is sending Greece medication for the illness, and that the cure becomes a vaccine. I also read on a Serbian site, that they asked Germany for help and they refused so they're getting help from China. Germany won't help Italy either, is this the end of the EU?

 

If it works it probably will be rushed through the approval process. The problem will be scaling up production to produce enough doses. That is an industrial process and depending on the type used to produce the vaccine concerned there is only so much you can do to speed things up. Like any other industrial process there are limits on how much can be produced (until the manufacturing bases expands) even if existing facilities run 24/7.

As for how long that would be I have no idea, as a lay person I have no idea what industrial processes would be required to produce this particular vaccine or how many facilities there are in the US and elsewhere that could produce it. If we are lucky it might be doable in a few weeks. Anyone with experience in the industry care to guess?

 

Medications aren't vaccines. There has been work done in China (where obviously they have had longer to work with the virus) and here in Australia with combinations of HIV/ antiviral drugs. These seem to work in vitro in Australia) but the Chinese have reportedly been experimenting with them on live patients. So they may be sending them supplies of whatever combo they think works the best plus advice on how to administer them.

You can also use patients who have recovered from the disease as donors for antibodies to the virus by extracting blood and refining out the antibodies circulating in their systems. These could technically be injected into patients or healthy individuals. In patients it might (don't' know for certain) aid them in their recovery. In healthy (non infected) people it would impart temporary immunity (again don't know how long - a Doctor could tell you). But think days not weeks. Anyway this process is technically quite complex so it has limited utility as a technique for fighting the virus.

Its a macabre thought but I suppose if anyone could do it it would be the Chinese. Picture 'anti-body farms' where patriotic victims of the virus are 'encouraged' by the State to donate blood to supply anti-bodies for VIPS (and suddenly the Chinese are Donald's new best friends .)

So by reason of the above its not the end of the EU, not by a long shot. Germany and the other countries haven't sent any help to Italy because in the short term there is none to give. There's no vaccine yet and no one in the West has determined just yet which combo of anti-virals is best. So what could they send except what they are short of themselves (masks and gloves) etc?

 

Just reported-
Tests of an existing malaria drug on Corona reported to effect a 100% cure by french lab.
No testing and approval process of delays would be required, this is on the market now.

Hope it's accurate as reported-

https://www.connexionfrance.com/Fre...ssful-Covid-19-coronavirus-drug-trial-results

 

~ I wonder how this works on Polo, Whooping Cough, Mumps , etc... ?

 

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You do know don’t you that there is a standing reward for anyone who can prove that homeopathy works?

Has not yet been claimed

Meanwhile, as someone who has seen Tetanus cases, whooping cough, pulmonary measles disease and meningococcus up close and personal I will take my chances on vaccines

Tetanus neonatorum

 

Sorry for the lengthy delay in responding. I've been out of town, but have wanted to reply to your post.

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First...the $1 million reward you're referring to was terminated in 2015.

Second...professional magician & pseudo-skeptic James Randi's "foundation" (JREF) had put up a $1 million challenge to anyone who can "prove" claims of the paranormal, including unconventional medical treatments like homeopathy. He's not a scientist nor a doctor, but knows better than to challenge homeopathy's efficacy in a fair test because there are plenty of studies, research & experiments, plus current & historical clinical evidence to support it. He has designed all challenges to ensure that he always has the advantage and will win. One of his insurance plans is a rule outlined in the JREF prize challenge contract which states, "At any time prior to the Formal Test, the JREF reserves the right to re-negotiate the protocol if issues are discovered that would prevent a fair and unbiased test." Discussed in the links below are, among other subjects, further details about how the JREF challenge is heavily rigged.

ON HOMEOPATHY

* The facts about an ingenious homeopathic experiment that was not completed due to the “tricks” of Mr. James Randi
Here is the story about Prof. George Vithoulkas & his team who took up Randi's JREF homeopathy challenge...how Randi suddenly backed out after everything was agreed to, set up & ready to go, claiming he had to "recover" for 6 months and that no one else could replace him...how the homeopathy team then had to re-submit a request to the hospital for permission to conduct the experiment...how Randi then blatantly lied by posting on his website that the homeopathy team had withdrawn from the challenge...and then suddenly announced he was changing all the previous agreements & refusing to continue with the challenge as planned.

* James Randi avoids homeopathic challenge for $1 million prize

* Disinformation on Homeopathy: Two Leading Sources
A campaign of disinformation on homeopathic medicine has been very active in the United Kingdom and in the U.S. It is next important to give specific examples of two leaders behind this disinformation. Two of the leading antagonists to homeopathy are James Randi (U.S.) and Tracey Brown (UK). This short article is not meant to be exhaustive on the disinformation campaign against homeopathy, but providing profiles of these leading antagonists to homeopathy will hopefully shed light on the nature of their information and how trustworthy they may or may not be.

RANDI'S DOUBLE STANDARD & OUTRIGHT LIES

* James Randi: debunking the king of the debunkers
James Randi has a history of complaints by people of outright lying & fabricating quotes, and also of denying requested data to back up his claims. University of Cambridge professor/scientist, Rupert Sheldrake, whose famous dog ESP experiment was scientifically substantiated, accused Randi of lying & refusing to hand over data to support Randi's claim that he duplicated & debunked Sheldrake's experiment. But Randi claimed his data got washed away in a flood and that the dogs he tested are now in Mexico and their owner was “tragically killed last year in a dreadful accident.”

* Also Randi's JREF foundation receives over $1 million annually and has tax-exempt status, and Randi is paid an average of $195,000/year...but has refused to submit to requests for the "educational foundation’s" educational activities.

* James Randi's Disingenuous Legacy
In an email request for comment I ask Randi: Why is there a lack of criticism against pharmaceutical and biotechnology corporations conducting bad science and off-label marketing? He doesn't respond.

* James Randi's Foundation
In fact, [JREF is] a magnet for controversy and scandal. The president of JREF, D.J. Grothe, has recently been accused of “misogyny and disrespect for women coworkers,” and, “constant duplicity, dishonesty, and manipulation” by a female employee. James Randi’s significant other, Deyvi Pena, was convicted of Identity Theft; a disgruntled million dollar challenge applicant put out a $100,000 reward to anyone who could prove that the challenge was legitimate, and there is a long list of complaints by people who have either applied for the challenge or taken it. The challenge itself is the subject of unending criticism.

DETAILS ON THE JREF $1 MILLION "CHALLENGE"

* James Randi - great articles here exposing Randi & his foundation

* The Myth of James Randi’s Million Dollar Challenge

* A critical look at Randi’s Million Dollar Challenge

* James Randi - The challenge
Part One
Part Two
Part Three

* The James Randi 1 Million Dollar Challenge Finally Terminated
- The JREF is not a scientific organization, and they never intended to do real scientific tests. The JREF test doesn’t allow repeated trails that can’t be accomplished in the 8 hour time limit. In addition, the JREF can arbitrarily reduce the number of repetitions allowed without any explanation. Repetition is a cornerstone of the scientific method, especially to determine the statistical results against chance.
- Secondly, the application process is also designed to eliminate actual competition or make it impossible for people with real abilities to demonstrate them properly. The foundation ignores or rejects most serious applicants, and yet allows the testing of the frauds and quacks for the sole purpose of public mockery.
- Applicants also have to sign away their rights to an attorney, and allow James Randi to use the data any way he wishes (this means he can outright change the results or lie about them) and the applicant has no recourse to prove the deception either in a court of law or the court of public opinion.
- JREF controls everything – the protocols (which may be changed at any time, even during the test itself), the location, the test design, witnesses, participants, and finally even the results. There are no independent controls to ensure honesty and fair play on the part of the JREF.

FURTHER MUSINGS

* True Lies: a Review of An Honest Liar a film about James Randi
Because Randi is not a scientist, he is able to operate outside of the protocols and ethics of science and this may be precisely why scientists, or at least some scientists, like him. He is able to do what they would like to do but would face consequences if they did. As Truzzi wrote "He is, I think, what [fellow CSICOP member] Ray Hyman termed a 'hit man' brought in by scientists to discredit (rather than disprove) unorthodox and extraordinary claims."

* Theoretical physicist & professor emeritus of physics at the University of Cambridge, Brian Josephson, has repeatedly criticized "science by consensus," arguing that the scientific community is too quick to reject certain kinds of ideas. "Anything goes among the physics community – cosmic wormholes, time travel," he argues, "just so long as it keeps its distance from anything mystical or New Age-ish." Referring to this position as "pathological disbelief," he holds it responsible for the rejection by academic journals of papers on the paranormal. He has compared parapsychology to the theory of continental drift, proposed in 1912 by Alfred Wegener (1880–1930) to explain observations that were otherwise inexplicable, which was resisted and ridiculed until evidence led to its acceptance after Wegener's death. On homeopathy he stated with mocking humor, "The idea that water can have a memory can be readily refuted by any one of a number of easily understood, invalid arguments."

I'll respond to the rest of your post re. tetanus, measles, etc. in the next post.

 

Injecting a cocktail of poisons directly into your blood stream (capillaries) is taking quite a gamble on your health, particularly the long-term risks. (There is a great risk to unborn babies of mothers who were vaccinated during or even years before becoming pregnant which many people don't consider.)

What you should instead be concerned about are industrial/man-made toxins, "electrosmog" (microwave radiation & EMF from cell towers, cell phones, cordless phones, wifi, smart meters, laptops/computers, appliances, geopathic stress, etc.), junk food, and chronic stress. No facemask or "social distancing" will save you from these.

With that said...tetanus, whooping cough/pertussis, and meningococcal meningitis are bacterial, not viral infections. There's also no scientific evidence supporting the efficacy (nor safety) of vaccines in the first place.

“The public surely is entitled to convincing proof, beyond any reasonable doubt, that artificial immunization is in fact a safe and effective procedure, in no way injurious to health, and that the threat of the corresponding natural diseases remain sufficiently clear and urgent to warrant mass inoculation of everyone, even against their will if necessary. Unfortunately, such proof has never been given.” — Dr. Richard Moskowitz MD, Harvard-educatedfamily medicine practitioner, faculty member of the National Center for Homeopathy and the International Foundation for Homeopathy

Dr. Suzanne Humphries and many other scientists & doctors also echo this sentiment.

ABOUT MEASLES

Measles is a so-called "viral" infection. But the very existence of a human or animal "virus" has always been questioned by more astute scientists----viruses including HIV, polio, Spanish flu, viral hepatitis, H1N1, SARS, rabies, mumps, rubella, ebola, flues, colds, etc...etc.

German biologist & virologist Stefan Lanka is one of many scientists who has historically questioned not only the existence of HIV, but of all viruses. He has offered a $100,000 prize to anyone who can scientifically substantiate the existence of the measles virus by isolating it. German Medical Doctor, David Barden, took up this challenge by submitting six studies, but the courts ruled in favor of Lanka that the studies were insufficient proof:

"Five experts have been involved in the case and presented the results of scientific studies. All five experts, including Prof. Dr. Dr. Andreas Podbielski who had been appointed by the OLG Stuttgart as the preceding court, have consistently found that none of the six publications which have been introduced to the trial, contains scientific proof of the existence of the alleged measles virus." More details here.

Essentially, it can be safely assumed that no so-called "viruses" exist because no viruses have scientifically been proven to exist by being isolated, let alone proven to have acted as a causative agent in any infectious disease. Simply select the "virus" of choice, then start digging around in the medical & clinical archives and other literature and you'll find there is zero evidence of a viral etiology. This corona virus is a major hoax perpetrated on a hapless global population who have become caught up in a herd frenzy of panic, and which will end up getting themselves into big trouble unless they can calm down and begin questioning this so-called "pandemic". People need to stop fearing germs and begin focusing on the dangers/effects of cell tower radiation & EMF, industrial toxins, vaccines, and medical drugs. These are the REAL killers.

 

Oooooh! She says rubbing her hands with glee!

An actual ant vaxxer!

AND someone who seemingly does not be
I’ve in viruses

Well let us look at your so called prize

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/13/measles-sceptic-must-pay-doctor-100000

 

You're reading older news. This was the first court decision, but was appealed and Dr. Lanka won the appeal per the experts judging the case.