Video shows Australian SAS soldier shooting and killing unarmed man at close range in Afghanistan

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  1. Bush Lawyer

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    Not at all. I believe that an enemy, in a War Zone should be killed. But, I do not believe said enemy should be murdered in cold blood after being captured, and while submissive having been collared by a dog and mauled. There is zero evidence that the person killed was part of the enemy.
     
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    Well actually you do if your name is Bush, Rumsfeld, or Tommy Franks. In a previous post I provided a link to a Congressional report documenting that Ben Laden was allowed to escape to Pakistan. There are numerous references to this easily available via a quick Internet search. Your assumptions about not allowing the escape of Ben Laden are assumptions based on what exactly?

    The CIA officer in charge of the Ben Laden hunt seems to think he was allowed to escape but maybe you have more knowledge on the subject.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FCKLV6/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1#customerReviews
     
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    The hate by the US/AUS soldiers towards the Taliban comes from observing what the Taliban do to ordinary people. What goes around comes around.
     
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    No problem. It just isn’t logical to trust one person based on affiliation with a unit and mistrust another based on affiliation with the same unit. The whole linked documentary video (not just the shooting in question ) is edited to influence you and elicit a bias.

    I found it interesting so many posts claimed Chapman was SAS. As far as I can tell he was not. He was only attached to 3rd squadron. Who knows what kind of dynamics that relationship involved that could corrupt the integrity of his testimony. Just something I noticed that may not be relevant is the reaction of unease demonstrated by Chapman when discussing allegedly planted communication devices.

    To be clear, I’m sure that atrocities are committed by individuals in every military. But I’m not going to pass judgment on anyone based on this one sided hit piece. It’s based on way too much appeal to emotion to suit me.
     
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    How many have watched the entire Four Corners Programme, and not just that very obvious incident? It will take about 45 mins of your time, but to understand how way off track some comments here are, you really have to watch it. The Link to it is in the OP. That provides the context someone asked me about.
     
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    You're the only one bringing racism into this but I think your not so hidden agenda is clear to everyone. We have one testimony, let's hear what everyone else says.
     
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    We've seen an inconclusive vid and heard one account from a person who wasn't even there, let's here what others have to say. Or would that conflict with your viewpoint to have due process.
     
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    You have not taken the (about) 45 minutes to watch the whole programme. You can access it in the OP Link.
     
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    lol... you wouldn't even know what they are saying about you in their native language while standing next to them. The Taliban is a lose organisation and made up by native Afghans. Chances are that an Afghan age 5 took a chocolate cupcake with a smile, and 20 years later plants a IED, and smiles when the invading Americans lose their legs or more.

    Them Afghans don't want you lot there. It's as simple as that. You're an invading force demanding a cultural and religious change. As if your average white American want's to comply with those norms and values from Latin Americans who show up. And lets be honest, them Taliban still control by far the most of Afghanistan. Them goat and camel herders won. US the super power is giving up, and lost. It's just an other asymmetric war the US lost.
     
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    That is not true.
    Your opinion is that killing unarmed brown Muslims with their hands up by some SAS soldier is fine if that makes it easy to do their job.



    The problem with that, is that you justify that people are 2nd class and so have less rights.
    Less rights leads to the idea that you can just kill those people. That's how you are currently thinking actually.
    And our norms and values is that we are all equal and racism is bad.
    I am addressing that with you, and show how that leads to war crimes that you justify.
    No doubt you would be committing war crimes if you were there and think nothing of it, due to treating others 2nd class.

    Them days of apartheid are gone, buddy. It's plane racist instigated murder that you support.
    Are you able to face the reality is the question.
     
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    Pff. You can get incited online all over the place.
    Breivik, that norwegian/sweed who massacred around had this great replacement theory wrote down his thoughts.
    Gets picked up by that dude who shot Muslims in New Zealand.

    And who says that SAS soldier just shooting unarmed brown people in the head is a normal person?
    Come to think of it.. it doesn't matter. That killer is to blame for his own actions. Period.
     
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    The video is conclusive. Get real. That unarmed Muslim who got shot with his hands up had no process. Cmon.
    You think that SAS soldier who ratted out his fellow colleague finds it funny to go to the press?
    Why you think that is? Doesn't look like he's waiting for a process, and he doesn't look like a clown as well.

    It does say a lot about you, that when a SAS soldier puts his career and entire future on the line with a story, and has the video to back it ALL UP... that you refuse to have an opinion and do whatever it takes to put in doubts in order to keep open to justify the killing of unarmed innocent brown Muslims with their hands up. That's not so reasonable... rob.
     
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  13. Robert E Allen

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    Every word of this post is wrong. Yes i am facing reality.. you however are not . Based on your emotional response to a situation about which you do not have all the facts.
     
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    We have all the facts. We got a SAS soldier who was a witness. He is putting his entire future on the line. We got the video that backs it all up.

    And you not responding to my argument of dehumanizing by using racist slurs is bad... says it all.
    Go read this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization
    It's not emotional. This is how things work when you're like you claim you are.
     
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    My very first word on the subject was "this looks bad"

    Right now there is an inquiry looking into it.
    If the video is conclusive the inquiry will find that the guy needs to stand whatever kind of trial the Australian military has.

    Like someone else said earlier, if you think you can do better by all means join up and go.
     
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    I am all for our troops dehumanizing our enemies.. i am more concerned about our troops than the enemies.
    Our troops have proved that it has no lasting affects and it doesn't turn them into racists. It helps them do the horrible things we force them to do.

    Your opinion on the subject? I really don't care.

    Atrocities have always happened in war, are happening in war and will always hapoen in war. There is nothing we can do about it except dealing with them as they happen. I am sure the Australians have this matter firmly in hand. And i will not claim to know more than them based on 3 minutes of video i watched on a 3 inch screen with the critical seconds blacked out.
     
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    Yeah well. My opinion is my opinion. And I'm free here to vent this.
    Dehumanizing is what the nazi's did.

    People got hanged for war crimes.
    I support that.
     
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    And you than put in racist slurs and find if justified to kill innocent people with their hands up if that makes it easy.
     
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    Americans did plenty of dehumanizing too and it helped our soldiers sleep at night a d that's a good thing. It helped them point their flame throwers down holes they knew contained human beings and thats a horrible thing but good.

    I also support hanging people for war crimes.
     
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    I never justified the killing of innocent people. Not one word of what i said could possibly have indicated that.
    That's simply you making me out to be the person you want to think i am instead of who i am... dehumanizing me.
     
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    Ahh, thanks for the lesson on Afghan culture. Your extensive experience dealing with the indigenous population has really opened my eyes.

    I thought for sure the ANA and ANP who worked alongside us and shared living space with us and fought the taliban next to us numerous times was on our side.

    Now I guess I was wrong.
     
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    Curious Robert E Allen - have you served in the US armed forces? And if so, have you served in combat? If your answer to both of these questions is no, then I would respectfully ask, what is the basis of your opinion that "Our troops have proved that it has no lasting affects"?

    Are you actually unaware of the US military active duty suicide crises? Never heard of PTSD?
     
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    the answer is no. I wish i would have served, graduating in 1989 i likely would have gone to Iraq. I feel great shame that i never served.

    if it wasn't clear my point is that dehumanizing the enemy doesn't lead to lasting racism, that is as far as my point was not meant to go any further than that. on the other hand I'd rather have soldiers with PTSD at home than soldiers KIA because they hesitated for humanitarian reasons.

    The serious lasting affects of war you refer to are a separate issue and extremely important.
     
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    Negative. You make exceptions and support to kill innocent unarmed people with their hands up if that makes things easy. And you did that, and added racial slurs. So you know. Let's keep tossing that in the equation.
     
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    You did write that down,... with the idea that you want your troops safe and have an easy job if that is what it takes kind of thing. You want me to look it up. I'm sure it still there. But so do you....
     
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