Who gets the ventilator in the coronavirus pandemic?

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  1. Blaster3

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    in times of survival, the resources are best utilized on those that best fit the propagation of the species.

    whom best serves as an asset to continue on...

    'feels' is what has created the kaos of the last coupla decades...

    time to set aside 'political correctness'... it serves no practical purpose
     
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    No, that's to reduce the chance of them getting infected.
     
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    Our auto manufacturers are exploring the idea of manufacturing ventilators..

    I think they should just do it..
     
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    Leftists fantasizing about picking who lives and who dies thread, take 23515156331.
     
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    Not a thirsty horse, are you?
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the government's gun can't be used, then who is forcing whom to die in a Capitalist society? It is true that for the most part the better human being you are the better healthcare you'll receive. But that's not causing people to die, that's living life justly. Guess justice is no longer needed. Apparently, mercy is now the coin of the realm.
     
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    Have you ANY and I mean ANY idea how complicated a ventilator is?
     
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    Righties denying what is staring them in the face

    Oh! Sorry that is right! You have your selection criteria

    “How fat is the patients wallet?”
     
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    auto manufacturers made airplanes during wwll
     
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    If she signed a DNR order while competent so be it, otherwise she gets the same care as anyone else, without discrimination imo.

    If that means more people die than would have so be it. This is a responsibility the state has to the individual, not to society.
     
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    Tough. The state has a responsibility to the individual not society in this regard.
     
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    No but i bet the folks at Ford are learning as fast as they can
     
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    If the intent is to deny them medical help then it would make sense that the Government would need to do something to be able to say it had tried to stop them being infected and dying due to refusal of medical help. If this now as per the Mirror article is going to result in them being fined £1,000 or sent to jail if they do not isolate things have gone crazy. This I think is a really big plus for the UK Government. If sufficient over 70's get the virus and die, it no longer has its problem with how to fund care homes, help for the elderly, which has been causing them much worry.

    If you do some more investigating you will hear people are talking about this probably lasting for at least a year or 18 months. How many who are not used to it can manage a year or 18 months solitary retreat. Contrary to what people here seem to believe many over 70's nowadays are in excellent physical and mental health. I am just listening to someone on the tv talking about people not being told to isolate - unless you are over 70 in the UK. I have heard many have said they are not going to isolate. I guess it will be jail for them.
     
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    A quick change over from tanks to tugboats is difficult, too. But it can be done.
     
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    And shaking their heads

    Boris had the same brilliant idea

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51914490

    Yes you can throw something together that may or may not work reliably to move air in and out of lungs but we are talking ARDS here

    It was first recognised as a distinct disorder in the young men resuscitated on the battlefields in Vietnam and at the time was called “Da Nang Lung”

    It requires a very specific ventilation strategy

    https://www.uptodate.com/contents/v...ults-with-acute-respiratory-distress-syndrome

    It also, for good management requires a machine that can measure and track such variables as resistance and more particularly compliance
     
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    oh yeah? Tell me what the triage protocol they are trained in is.
     
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    You have NO idea do you?

    Do you think a manufacturer of say, lawnmowers would be successful in manufacturing say, a jet aircraft?
     
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    false premise fail.
     
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    funny how altruism turns into selfishness when they think they're the ones who might die.
     
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    do you think building a ventilator to drive gases with specified volume, pressure and time variables is that difficult ?
    How to use the variables however, might be challenging, but don't worry, your attending will tell you what settings to use.
     
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    She was in denial and would not even admit there was something wrong

    These things HAPPEN!

    Have the discussion with your own family find out what their wishes are

    Even though I love her I know she would not want to be where she is today and would rather pass quietly, but that was not an option. Last time I took her to hospital it was like looking after a child too young to understand the needles but old enough and big enough that restraining her so care could be given was very problematic and even more distressing to her.

    Now if it were a choice between her getting high end ICU care and a young child, which way would YOU choose?
     
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    Yeah!
    But do you think they could replicate the high end electronics of today’s jet fighters?
     
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    Have you any idea how complicated the electronic controls of just the engine of a modern vehicle is? In reality, both a ventilator and an internal combustion engine require many of the same controls and share many similarities in required sensors. They are essentially performing the same functions.
    https://www.ecutesting.com/categories/ecu-explained/

    http://www.rcjournal.com/contents/05.04/05.04.0507.pdf

    My link on ventilators is a bit old and I’m sure there have been improvements since it’s publication, but I’m quite certain the technology used in today’s vehicles is at least as advanced as in a ventilator.
     
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    Just have a wee look at the report from the TGA please!

    https://www.tga.gov.au/alert/puritan-bennett-980-series-ventilator

    Every hospital I know of has pulled them from use and PB were a well known manufacturer of ICU ventilators.

    If you talk real nice to the QLD government they might realise the ones they have stored awaiting legal resolution
     
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