Who gets the ventilator in the coronavirus pandemic?

sh*t happens...
recalls of manufactured goods are quite commonplace. it's not lack of knowledge nor know how, it's due to bean counters & lawyers that create those issues.

some of the world's best engineers work at auto manufacturers...

look at GE (general electric) they started out making light bulbs and now expanded into designing and building jet engines, avionics, and flight controls, among a miriad of other items.

 

Queensland infections have risen from 40 to 184 cases in just 2 days.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03...land-40-new-cases-tally-rises-to-184/12070904

I don't think their stores are quite as prolific as you try to attest but do keep embellishing if it makes you feel good.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...th-catastrophic-outbreak-20200313-p549u7.html

 

Usually odds of success and impact of intervention are the main considerations (the middle group in triage). So the 40 year old would get it, not because they are more valuable, but because the odds of saving the 80 year old with dementia are lower anyway. For more ambiguous cases, you don't really have time to take an inventory of their worth and you don't abandon them until care is futile, so there is an element of first-come, first-served

 

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nice personal attack there mate

We in QLD have our problems but we also got in early with planning and organisation

Now that story from the SMH references the combined statement put out last week by ANZICS and ACCCN

Unlike the author of the SMH piece I have read that statement - doesn’t quite say what he is claiming but that is not surprising since that newspaper report it predates even the UK report on Covid 19
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

ANZICS home site

https://www.anzics.com.au/latest-news/

 

No personal attack at all. Nice deflection though. Just showing facts that you omitted. You were telling people they should ask the QLD government nicely for supplies.

How many extra supplies DO you have that you seem to think you can spare?

 

No I was NOT telling people to ask us for supplies

Please go back and READ my posts

 

Comparing WW2 conversion of cars to air planes had some similarities had technology was much less leadtime and mechanical intensive compared to the comparisons of technology now, plus technology now is very heavy on software integration and modeling. For instance high capacity blower (simple versions of what blows air on a car to get the wash water off, or what gives a car get another percent points of saving gas and speed at 70 mph around the car frame) now deliver nearly 50% more air on the 25% less power, with much smoother and quieter turbulence (why cars are quieter with less weight and padding).

Those improvements involve tremendous research and software, with multiple iterations to work through the best combinations of metals, plastics, development time, power, and a dozen other factors that actually did and do take long times to get get better and better.

Well, it is relatively recent time that the "ventilator" we can use now which manager to be likely (but not guaranteed) to help the patient than to cause them die quicker!

The best example that might help people understand is look at the billions spent to get the Boeing 737 online, but it is turned off now because too many were having this plane would decide to dive and hir so hard into the earth that they were buried into the earth!

And so far, it is still not fixed! Whether it is pilot error or software or hardware, it isn't worth using.

There is no quicky little change that will produce reliable ventilators from Volkswagens or vacuum cleaners and save ourselves, and it is simply Bullpucky to think it will reliably save ourselves.

But we can count the quicky little conversations will cost a lot of money, and those owners of those companies will be filling in the money, unless any of them to personally use their own fortunes, their families fortunes and their money stashed in their offshore monet, in which case we can cheer for them.

Oh, btw, some special critical parts are done in China, not necessarily just to save money but China has much of that technology better than the USA anymore. So don't count China out!

 

As it SHOULD be...

^Exactly...

Trump (A Mistakenly-Elected IMBECILE} once again (as usual) dropping the ball when it matters the most.:smh:

 

formula one engineers would disagree with you.

those guys could design & manufacture ventilators from scratch in very short order, including the software needed to run it.

 

So why aren't they?

Why don't they call up Boeing and tell them what will save the 747, and when Boeing doesn't do it, tgese guys can sue untold billions from all the dead people's families and pocket themselves?

Sorry, the current ventilators that save more than they kill may very well have capability to do it, in time.

Your "formula one" engineers are very very unlikely to understand what a modern ventilator needs to do and how to do it! It has only has there been enough expertise how a modern for not all that long.

Excuses like this is what gets clueless and lazy people like Trump who think they know about war, about management, about health, about everything else he thinks he knows.

A true engineer will start out by saying advanced, complicated and sensitive development will be laughing when someone says "Oh, they will design & manufacture ventilators from scratch in very short order, including the software needed to run it."

Utter BS.

 

So you claim auto manufacturers can’t make ventilators because they are too sophisticated. And you back that up with an example of faulty software update leading to GUI errors in one product? Are you serious?

 

Hey at least your government called Netflix yesterday and asked them to reduce the amount of data needed to stream movies. This is after the cruise ship dropped 2,700 passengers off in Sydney and your government asked them to self isolate. I guess I can see why you come here and bash Trump because it's got to be pretty crazy sitting around getting Netflix updates in Queensland.

 

so to put it simply idiots first!

 

I’ve read this three times and still can’t find any relevance to my post you quoted. Please quote me where I said anything about WW2 manufacturing.

What you don’t seem to understand is that in this case, automobile manufacturers aren’t going to design ventilators. Just manufacture them. They already produce a product more technologically advanced and having more system interactions than a ventilator. Automobile manufacturers would have no trouble manufacturing ventilators.

I don’t think it’s practical to do so just based on time scales. By the time auto makers got a product to market we won’t need the product anymore.

But claiming auto manufacturers aren’t sophisticated enough to make a ventilator is patently absurd. Ventilators aren’t made of unicorn horn and controlled by fairy dust.

 

Now they're frantically trying to chase the passengers down lol.

 

Yet Bowerbird is on here daily blasting Trump. What a joke.

 

No shortage as if now in US and Trump is not only releasing reserves the government has but partnering with private industry to manufacture even more of these life saving devices.

 

Whos joking? LOL

 

Socialized healthcare on display

 

Oh, that's good.

 

link or just mouthing off

 

Have any idea how complicated a car is?

 

That one product was a)American made and b) a long established ventilator company

Soooooo, your proof that it would be possible for a car manufacturer to make ventilators in the next couple of weeks when the peak hits is what?

 

Waaaay simpler than today’s ventilators

Half the darn things are very sophisticated flow sensors connected to a heavy duty computer processor coupled with gas regulators etc



Push comes to shove a bird respirator, which is basically a magnet in a pressurised box WILL keep well lungs operating

But covid causes ARDS,



And it is that increased density of fluid in the capillary alveolar membrane that is the problem

 

yeah of what you wanted was a bird respirator



They darn near killed as many as they saved but they DID get air into lungs