China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs

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    1. china dont gain anything by dumbing US TBill, they gonna continue to buy it, there are plenty article on why is that, go google it
    2. go read history on US-China in 80s, we sell them alot weapons in order to counter USSR. same reason we sell weapon to iraq in 80s to counter iran, or selling india weapon now to counter China. or selling pakistan weapon before to counter USSR.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/17/world/us-decides-to-sell-weapons-to-china-in-policy-reversal.html
    https://www.heritage.org/asia/report/arming-the-dragon-how-much-us-military-aid-china
     
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    Well said indeed. I am sure you know the history of the US regime sending shiploads after shiploads of virus-infested marines from Kansas to Europe during World War 1, and now the 1918 American flu pandemic is officially called the Spanish Flu. :skull:
     
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    Well said. Keep posting to wake up the brain cells of those smart alecks, otherwise they will never care to use their brains. :sleeping:

    If China has the miraculous cure, the government would be able to save more than 3,200 Chinese from the deadly disease. Time for the poster and other smart alecks to use their brains. :angel:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
     
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    I had already read the Heritage Article. It is a speculation report questioning how much military aid to provide China in relation of our other interests in the area. It talks about the Congress approving the sale of $98 million in military aide. That is also what the NY Times article is also about. What I can not find is anything stating that the sale actually went through. Back in 1985, it was not unusual for weapons sales to be approved by the Congress, and then one side or the other backs out.

    What I remember, though I can not find any source to back it up, is that the Congress also approved $2 Billion in weapons sale to Taiwan. That sale, I do know went through. Three years before. the US and China issued what was known as the Third Shanghai Communique. That called for the US to start reducing sales to Taiwan and eventually end them completely. Shortly thereafter, the US issued the Six Assurances on Taiwan. That stated that we would not reduce or end sales of Military equipment to Taiwan. So, we told China that we would reduce and end sales to Taiwan, and then we told Taiwan that we would not stop selling aid. Three years later we went ahead and approved $2 Billion in military weapons. I believe that China then backed out of the purchase for political reasons. So, this changes nothing. It is actually another thorn in the US/Chinese relations.

    Oh, in your previous post you mentioned US and Chinese being allies during WWII. That is not exactly true. We worked with the forces of Chiang Kai Shek to fight against the Japanese. The remnants of that country is now resident on the breakaway Island Providence of Formosa, aka Taiwan. The PLA is the remnants of the Mao Zedong Communist Army. They took advantage of the Fighting between ROC Army and those of the Japanese Empire to take over the country. So, no, We did not fight along side the PLA during WWII.
     
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    we call china since 14th century, thats why i said china, even taiwan official name is republic of china. yes in WWII it was the KMT, but in 80s we did sell CCP weapons to counter USSR, back then USSR was the bigger threat, now we selling weapon to india to counter China. if you read up history of KMT, it was a dictatorship, taiwan didn't get its 1st election till 1996, taiwan had marshal law from 68 to 80s. during WWII, both ROC and CCP had a cease fire due to japan invasion, CCP win the war due to major support from the peasants, back then KMT was the corrupt one.
    China didn't back out purchase, they purchase many weapons from US including warship engine etc, this is till 1989 tiannmen square, only then we put sanction, but if USSR didn't fall in 90, we would still be selling weapon to them today. there is no permanent friends or enemies, just permanent interest.
     
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    How has your antibiotic capability been farmed out?
     
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    Are you saying that the Chinese did NOT send samples to every country once they isolated the virus?
     
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    Those unused brains prefer fake news and pandemic slander. Even in the face of proven fact they strain their ears and turn their attention to whatever BS sensationalist crapola they can single out from an otherwise enlightened crowd. THAT's what they want to hear!
     
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    Yes, I think that is what he's saying.
     
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    As a choice they will make, I predict they'll choose Destruction.

    Another choice? I think we know the result of that one too.
     
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    And yet the only proof you can offer is an article from the NY Times that said The Congress had authorized the weapons and a point paper that discussed the issue. That does not prove anything. The article stated that we sold them duel use equipment (meaning that they are not equipped for specific military use and had a civilian application as well as military application.) such as 24 S-70C Sikorsky helicopters, 5 GE LM2500 gas turbine naval engines, coastal defense radars, and communications equipment. But when it comes to that $98 million authorization, there are several facts that do not match history. Such as the Chinese getting the TOW Missile Defense System, or the Mark 46 ASW Torpedo. There is no record of these ever being used by China. Taiwan, yes, but not China. It really gets hinky here:

    "Most controversial, perhaps, is a pending avionics moderni z ation package for China's high altitude interceptor, the F@-S. The4F-8 is described by the Administration as a twin-engine, delta wing, high altitude interceptor. The avionics package would give 50 F-8s an all-weather, day-night capability. The $500 milli on package includes avionics components integrated by a U.S. prime defense contractor under U.S. Air Force supervision."

    First of all, I can not find a record of a 4F-8 aircraft. The closest thing I can find is the Vought F-8 Crusader. This was a single engine aircraft delta wing jet that went into service back in the 1950's and was phased out, except for the photo recon verient, in 1976. That does not meet the discription contained in the report. Further, China has only used 6 delta winged aircraft. None of which were manufactored in the US.

    So, It looks to me that they chinese did pull out as I said. But let me point out that in Foreign Relations belligerents often have thaw and chill periods. That does not define the overall relationship. The US/China relationship is no different. What you are doing is trying to make a case based on a short thawing period, but that hardly defines the relationship between China and the US.
     
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    If the possibility of a detrimental effect on your own people is proof or indication that the U.S. did not plant the Coronavirus in China ..... then I guess the reports of purges by Stalin and Pol Pot is fake history, huh? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: Don't even go there.
     
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    Contrary to liberal opinion, President Trump is not a Stalin, Pol Pot or Hitler. He would not risk our Military in that manner. Further, you ignored much of what I said. When you look at all of it together, it disproves that the US was the source of the virus.
     
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    First of all, you don't need to be a what-you-call “a liberal” to face facts, at least not the way I look at life. I don't choose a side and react accordingly. I choose a stance on any subject and whoever agrees will walk arm-in-arm with me no matter what political base they stand upon. That's probably a shock for you but that's the truth of the matter.

    Finding dissimilarities between Trump and Stalin/Pol Pot/Hitler is a waste of time & effort because all of them have acquired their reputation after the fact. Let me put it another way: It would be difficult to find any American president who did not share the pertinent qualities of Stalin/Pol Pot/Hitler so judging Trump at this point isn't very prudent. :no:

    I addressed other parts of your post elsewhere in the thread and I am not in the habit of repeating myself if it isn't necessary. In any case, you flooding the fundamental issues with side-track smoke-screening isn't going to make me water down the crux of it. The bottom line with respect to your response here is 1. there has been no disproving point provided that “the US was not the source of the virus” and 2. that the U.S. would never (could never) have planted the virus, regardless of its own citizens being infected – which is (by the way) your misguided conviction and the basis for this dialogue.

    So tell me, would you like to retract your statement or explain why you said the U.S. leadership would balk at the idea of risking the contamination of American citizens? I am listening. :yawn:
     
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    You might would have a point if I had called you a liberal, but I didn't. I posted that were parroting the same lame liberal lie that the liberals keep parroting. So, if you want to walk hand in hand with them, I only ask that you hide your chubby.

    See, this illustrates the quintessential difference between the two of us. You make claims based on tin-foil hat unproven conspiracy theories, and I base mine on actually researched facts. Your like the gangbanger that runs away while trying to shoot behind himself. I am more like the sniper that can pick off single target from a crowd from 1000 yards away.

    Just because someone shares a trait or two does not make them similar. Nor does it mean that President Trump would gas his own people in order to infect the citizens of Wuhan China. If you find evidence otherwise, please provide it, but ensure that evidence is factual and referenced from a reliable source.

    Well, giving the benefit of the doubt, maybe you did respond to me in your response to someone else on a different thread. But I am not of the mindset to troll someone to follow them around to see what they say to someone else on a different thread. I will say that you have never addressed my statements on this thread.

    I stated that a Chinese whistleblower had claimed that the Wuhan Institute of Virology had been testing SAAR Variants on bats as a delivery system. That coupled with the original claim by the Chinese patient zero was infected by a bat bite at the Wuhan open market. The Chinese then changed their story to claim that the virus was caught by people eating skunks. Then they concocted the whole US participants at the Wuhan war games. I then gave you reasons that this would not be true, and the only one that you questioned was that you thought that Trump would put our US Military in harms way to infect the local population. You completely ignored the main question that disproves your insane analysis. I will point that out below.

    I have nothing to retract, because you have offered no proof that President Trump would ever do what you and China have claimed. The proof of that is the question that you ignored. No one has reported seeing a single US Military member running around in hazmat suits. So, how did the US Military dispense an airborne biological agent without being exposed to it themselves? The fact that no US Military participant of the Wuhan War Games has tested positive for coronavirus disproves this fake claim.

    Now, question for you. How much is China paying you to spread their propaganda? Let me know so I can inform my son. He just happens to be an NCIS Agent.
     
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    I guess even the very simple notion of having no political devotion on each issue went over your head. You are stuck in the typical American “with us or against us” - “Love it or leave it” - “Right-wing, left-wing” mentality. You are like chained to a lamppost, judging the political affiliation of passers-by from the colour of their socks.

    No. I base my “claims of possibility/probability” on chronological facts.

    No, you do not. You base your “claims of denial” upon Dick & Jane wishful thinking, “hurrah for our side”, voluntary ignorance of chronological facts and extreme brain-washed propaganda.

    I said “the pertinent qualities”.

    Is this absurd line of argument going to be your standard track or are you going to begin speaking earnestly at some point?



    I repeat that I base my “claims of possibility/probability” on chronological facts. It must be just about time for you to address the actual issue.



    I most certainly have and I continue to do so right now.


    You insist on an absurd line of made-up accusation.

    This is utterly ridiculous. I think you may have backed yourself into a corner and are now trying to escape.

    It is you who talks about “airborne biological agents”.

    What does it prove? That US Military participant of the Wuhan War Games has tested positive for coronavirus? Whoop-dee-doo.

    Now, the question for you. How much silliness are you prepared to employ in order to try weaselling out of it?

    Oh, in that cased a better question is …. How much is the NCIS paying you to spread their propaganda?



    That's fine. Is there a problem with that? How many excuses did (still does) the U.S. give for the illegal invasion of Irak? A dozen maybe? The three possibilities exist … as always. Either China and the U.S. are honestly trying to find the truth - they are scrambling for an innocent excuse - or they are lying. Fairly standard procedure.



    .. and I debunked them. And that (in case you haven't noticed) is exactly what I am doing right now. But if you feel you've been ridden roughshod then here is your chance to explain yourself better. "The U.S. would never do such a thing" is naïve enough to make me laugh plus it is untrue. I am speaking about facts now, documented facts.




    I doubt very much that I specifically named Trump at all but on your second point ..... I most certainly do maintain that the U.S. Military would and has (oh God has it!) put its own people in harm's way. Proof? You want proof? Are you seriously oblivious to that fact? Really? I mean, seriously. This here is the main point, the main issue. Everything else you put forward is smoke-screen.
     
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    When you make unsubstantiated statements about the President of the United States, it is a political statement. When those statements are exactly the same as those being made by liberals, then they are liberal political statements. Your parroting those statements proves that you are over reliant on the MSM, and can not do your own research.

    Total male bovine excrement. Your claim of "“claims of possibility/probability” on chronological facts" is ridiculous seeing as you are weak on history. The fact is that you take a few facts and add in a ton of supposition. In the end, you come up with a insane unsubstantiated theory that is total BS. Then when you are disproven, you refuse to admit it. But that still does not change the fact that you have been disproven.


    See, another area of weakness for you. COVID-19 is an airborne virus. China claimed that the US Military was running around with vials of COVID-19, and that caused the outbreak. That would mean that the US Military was releasing an "Airborne Biological Agent." In order to handle a vial of the virus safely, much less release it into the atmosphere, they would have had to protect themselves. I am not even sure a standard MOPP suit would suffice. Afterwords, they would have to go through a full decon cleaning. The alternative would cause everyone involved to be exposed to the virus. There has been no reports of US military dressed in MOPP Suits, or no decon showers taking place, Then they would have had to have been exposed. So, none of the participants testing positive, proves that no one was exposed. No one exposed proved that the incident did not happen.

    In the end, the theory that a bat that was infected with COVID-19 escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and bit someone at the open market remains the most logical.

    Unresponsive response, hereby stricken from the record.


    The invasion of Iraq was legal, and the excuse has remained the same. (That does not mean that the excuse was true. I personally think it was retaliation for the Saddam ordered assignation of Bush Sr.)

    I believe that President Trump is reacting to what China has been telling them. He is now dealing with the issue that most of what China told the US was BS. I believe that China is going to extraordinary steps hide their culpability in all this.

    You posted some unsubstantiated questions and answers that you claimed proved something. It didn't. I turned it around on you, and you whined to the moderator. I got a warning for calling you senile, but the rest of the post is still there. You attempt to make the US look bad in this also proved that China was guilty. Therefore you accomplished nothing, and ignored a lot.

    Oh, I get it. This is all a smokescreen, and you have no proof that President Trump would order an Bioterror attack, and place our troops in harms way in carrying it out. Got it skippy.
     
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    I said that you are stuck with the “with us or against us” -“Love it or leave it” - “Right-wing, left-wing” mentality .. and you just reaffirmed it AGAIN.



    On that point (particularly on strength of history) I am just waiting for you to demand the facts from me. So far you have hesitated to ask. I think you sense the danger of me proving my point. Maybe you need to take some time to check out the history yourself and save some shame because it is you who is weak on history – not me, as you say. Yes, check it out yourself and learn so I won't have to give you a lesson.


    What is your point? I suppose you believe that a sneeze can infect someone else only if you are hovering above them?



    It's possible.



    I don't think you grasp the significance of the mode of contagiousness of this virus. You are missing a big chunk of understanding. I am an ex-military and a war veteran so I probably have a lot more experience than you. I suggest that you look up the word “airborne”.




    Wrong.


    You are making this up as you go along and using an absurd basis as your guideline.

    No, it is not the most logical at all.


    If you are so inclined to insinuate that I am being sponsored by China (without even the tinniest proof, indication, or circumstantial motivation) then I can definitely ask your affiliation with the NCIS (with all the proof necessary)


    Oh my Lord! Read my “signature” below.



    So, you quoted my response (above) starting with “That's fine”. But did you actually read it? I don't think you did.


    The proof of my claims is here waiting for you to get up the nerve to ask for documented evidence.



    I knew you were taking this personally and this proves it.



    I have done nothing fo the sort. I am not “making an attempt to make the U.S. look bad.” I am only stating the facts but it is your “with us or against us” -“Love it or leave it” - “Right-wing, left-wing” notion that won't allow you to see the sky.



    Your back is against the wall. You are 1. making absurd accusations about comments I never made about Trump in an effort to diminish my stance and 2. avoiding the real issue (as I just said in the quote) but it won't work.



    I am trying very hard to see what you've “got” so far but I don't think you are any nearer to reality than you were yesterday.

    ONE MORE TIME:

    "I most certainly do maintain that the U.S. Military would and has put its own people in harm's way. This here is the main point, the main issue".

    So you can quit making up off-beat diversions and evading the issue. Are you stalling for time?
     
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    The only one stuck on something is you. I keep telling you that saying that you are parroting the liberal talking point is not calling you a liberal. Only that what you are saying is matching a fake liberal talking point. Thanks to the left-wing that has politicalized everything. You cannot even use a public restroom without politics coming into play. So, it is your right to parrot their insane talking points, and I will support your right to say them. I do however reserve the right to point out that you are parroting a liberal talking point. That is how the First Amendment works.

    This is the point that I want to straighten out. This comment was based on some that another posted. That poster claimed that the US and China have had a friendly relationship in the past. To support that claim, the poster claimed that the US fought side by side with the Chinese Army during WWII and claimed that the US has been selling high tech military equipment to China. I pointed out that the US fought alongside Chiang Ki Sheik's Army, and not the Army of Mao Zedong. The Government on Mainland China was founded by Chairman Mao. The Chinese forces that we fought alongside during WWII is currently on Taiwan. For the second point the poster offered an article and a Point Paper talking about the selling of weapons to China. I then proved that the Chinese Government never got the weapons. I even gave the poster some insight into why China had backed out of that sale in 1989. The insight was based on what I observed while assigned to 2nd MAW in Japan. That poster then ran away.

    So, I again apologize for mistaking you for the other poster. But you and that poster have a common trait. You both ignore points that undermine your claims. Let me give you an example:

    You claimed that reading your posts make my eyes hurt, and that I should get someone to read them to me. A completely cheap shot. Especially given that just over 15 minutes later you posted the statement that you expected me to have read was posted to another poster, and on another thread. (I guess you expect me to spend all my time trolling you. Sorry, I have much better things to do.) You then added a complete work of insanity:



    What makes this insane is that every question that points to the US also points back to China. Therefore, it proves nothing. You may have thought this was your crown jewel, but the only throne that it should be worn on is made of porcelain in the bathroom. My response torn yours asunder:



    You then ignored that response, and still claimed that you have proven me wrong. Total male bovine excrement. You have proven nothing.



    You claim to have some understanding of Biologicals from your prior military experience, and I will not dispute that except to say that you are not demonstrating said experience in your posts. I served in the Marines from 84 to 97, and had extensive training in NBC to include the setting up and operational management of a Decon Unit. While I will not debate your experience, I will tell you what I know.

    The term "Airborne Biological Agent" is a term for used for a virus, being used as a bioweapon, that can be spread by air. These virus spores are dispersed by air, and will land on surfaces. Someone coming in contact with these spores can become infected with the virus. For example someone walking through a field laced with a biological agent. They get those spores on their shoes, and walk home. They then transfer those spores to their hands when they remove those shoes. They then rub their faces, and then they are infected. It is not a foregone conclusion that someone will be infected before the spores dies. So, those utilizing this method will limit themselves to high traffic areas.

    Now china has said, and you have backed, that the US Military attending the Wuhan War Games were running around with vials of COVID-19, and dispursing them. That his highly illogical. Vials basically look like this:
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    If you try to pour out the contents, you would atleast need gloves to protect your hands from exposure. If you pour the contents while standing up, then you would need to protect your lower extremeties and clothing from exposure. You would also need full Decon afterwards. You could squat and pour the contents closer to the ground, but that would look extremely suspecious. You could even throw caution to the wind, literally, and throw the vials against a rock, but there is no guarantees that the spores would not blow back on you. The fact is that no one, in their right mind, would spread vials of airborne biological agents without at least a MOPP Suit, and following complete Decon Procedures afterwords.

    Additionally, I cannot see anyone from President Trump to the lowest field commander ordering a Bioterrorism Attack on an innocent civilian population. Especially, in a city that has an active international airport, and hub for surrounding communities, and in a nuclear capable nation. Face it, facts do not match your fiction. Now, please tell me how US Military Members attending a war games can disperse vials of Airborne Biological Agents without being exposed to the agents themselves. I will be waiting.


    (Continued on next post!!!)
     
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    I disagree. Now prove me wrong!!!




    NCIS does not hire lobbyist or bloggers. China on the other hand does. Many of them are tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists who are sitting in the basement of the mother's houses blogging about things they have no knowledge about. You have exhibited the traits of those sick individuals. Why else would you parrot this Chinese propaganda?



    See, I goaded you into that one!!! Kofi Annan hated President Bush because he did not confer with him before launching the invasion of Iraq. Contrary to Annan's belief, He was not the President of the world, and President Bush neither answered to him or needed his blessing to launch that invasion. President Bush was operating that UN Resolution that the UN Security Council had left in place after Desert Storm, and a Congressional War Powers Act. By the way, before you claim otherwise, the War Powers Act was obtained by Bush in the same mannor as Clinton obtained for Bosnia. Bush got the Congress to authorize an operating budget for the invasion. Therefore, the US invasion was not illegal under US nor International law.

    As far as Vietnam, you are distorting timeframes. The Geneva Conference did take place in 1954, but the first US Combat troops did not deploy to until 1964. From 1956 until 1963, there were a group of US Military observers designed Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) used to observe the use of the equipment that we provided to South Vietnam, but their troop strength was just over 1000 and did not serve in a combat capacity.

    So, both your signature statements are nothing more then attempts at revisionist history. Thanks for playing.



    What's wrong. You don't know what you posted? You offered that both US and China were, "are honestly trying to find the truth - they are scrambling for an innocent excuse - or they are lying." What you failed to realize is that just because one is doing one thing, does not mean the other is doing something different. My statement, that obviously went over your head, was that President Trump was operating on the realization that China has been less the honest about this situation. And that China was trying to hide their culpability in this pandemic. The first patient was identified on November 17, 2019, but China did not notify anyone until New Years Eve. During that month and a half timeframe, China did not shut down their tourist industry or it's international airport in Wuhan. By not doing so, they were exporting this virus all over the world. So, the question is whether you had actually read my response before posting your response. Because, I obviously did not parrot you.



    Unless you have evidence of the US ordering a Bioterrorist Attack on an innocent population, then your so-called evidence would be a total waste of time. Further, if it is not any better your signature, then why bother posting it?



    No more personally then when you claimed that I needed someone to read your post to me because my eyes get tired. You get personal, and I respond in kind.



    If you support an obvious false claim that the US committed a bioterrorist attack without a shred of proof, then you are attempting to make this country and the President look bad. When you accuse this country of committing acts of terrorism, you do make this us against them. I contend that it is your misunderstanding of the past that makes you blind to reality.



    Well, if you have served in the US Military, you would know that a Military Commanders would not commit an act of Bioterrorism without the approval of the Commander in Chief. Here is what you are missing about my posts. Even if there had been events where our military had committed an act of Bioterrorism in that past, it does not mean that this event was caused by this country. Before you can make the claim that this country caused this current pandamic, you need real proof linked to this event. So far, you have not given any. Only an insane list of questions that proves nothing. So, if you decide to respond to this post, then bring real evidence. If all you have is any real proof offer it. Otherwise don't bother responding.



    I have bent over backwards showing you what I have. You have offerered nothing in exchange. When presented with evidence that your scenario is not possible, you claim exprience, but demonstrate none. You seem ignorant of what an airborne agent is, or how it is used as a bioweapon.



    So, now it is a rouge unit? Again, unless you have proof that this happened, then you are being completely irresponsible in making the claim.

    It is you that are evading the issue by making unsubstantiated claims. To claim that I am stalling for time would mean that I am waiting for something. What would that be? I have no faith that you would realize how idiotic your claims are, and admit you were wrong. So, what in the world do you think I am stalling for. That is as idiotic a statement as anything else you have posted.

    Now, If you decide to respond to this post here are some things that you need to address.

    1. How military personnel can disperse COVID-19, from vials, not wearing any protective equipment, and still not get exposed to the virus?

    2. You claim that you have evidence of the US staging this type of attacks in the past. Okay, I am asking you to provide that evidence. But insure it is relevant, and backed by real sources. None of that revisionist history like your signature contains.

    3. How can you support the claim that your/China's scenario is more logical then the one that I have presented?

    If you don't bother responding, I will understand. But if you do respond, you better have something better then what you have offered. Otherwise, your get a single resounding "BS" in response.
     
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    I feel that yours is an intentional smoke-screen to avoid addressing the actual issue. So far all you have done is display your misunderstanding of what “airborne” means (in context) and accuse me of saying and doing things I never said or did in excessively wordy tirades. So let us put that aside and get down to business.

    What I have said is that the U.S. is not above implementing a covert chemical attack in China and that proof of the U.S. having made similar attacks and experiments (at the cost of American lives) are on record and in abundance. Such incidents have been going on continuously since at least the mid-1940s. I have all the proof necessary … I am just waiting for you to settle down, get serious and cease the side-stepping. I think it is only fair to inform you that there are others reading this dialogue and I think that we have a responsibility to round it off with a significant and meaningful conclusion. Are you ready now to get down to business?
     
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    Even friendly nations like India will put their people first before us its normal so why don't we make essential goods here under force of law carrots and big sticks.
     
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    I agree with you 1,000% but there are three criteria for your hypothesis:

    1. What is good for the nation.
    2. What is good for businessmen.
    3. What is good for the population.

    The U.S. (at least in this discussion) has been telling its citizens that what is good for business = good for the economy = good for the population. But is that true? Not when corruption with kick-backs and the military-Industrial Complex is squeezing the life out of tax-payers and the homeless are begging for food and shelter. It should be clear that business/military/industrial/political concerns have always been the highest priority. No one in those categories gives a you-know-what about the population. It would be nice to believe that Trump will turn it around.
     

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