Why doesn't socialism work?

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  1. wist43

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    Who do you think funded communism??

    It was the international bankers.

    Beyond that, whenever they got in trouble the west would bail them out... the Rockefellers had a lot to do with that.
     
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    tRUMP and the R Senate are working on the biggest, yugggest social package ever dreamed up to address this pandemic.

    $$$$$Trillions of free money to Americans.
     
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    well I have a masters in history and that brand new political Spectrum from the GOP propaganda machine is totally full of it and the quadrant thing is unnecessary. Right wing Loves capitalism and the far left wing communists hate it. Communists and Nazis claimed to be socialists but they were the biggest liars ever until the GOP of today came along.... Socialism always has at least some kind of democracy involved and is for fair regulation of capitalism with perhaps a nationalization of energy or healthcare. Just like every other rich country except America. Canada is seriously not that scary LOL....


    seriously it is the English-speaking world that has the huge problem with the definition of socialism. England and now America are the Savage capitalist and have been for hundreds of years. They have to call socialists social Democrats or Democratic socialist or more normally labour or liberals or progressives. France Germany Italy Spain and Scandinavia etc have always had socialist parties and often communist parties and they are totally different.
     
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    Actually 1.5 trillion for Americans and 500 billion for corporations. That second part is dubious for Democrats...
     
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    So ridiculous conspiracy theories and total misinformation is your bag like most Republicans....
     
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    So D's are less for socialism than the R's?
     
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    You haven't responded to a darn thing I wrote. What you did is tell an economist and historian they're brainwashed. What the hell do you know?
    Irrelevant.
     
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    What the British said about Napoleon was pure garbage propaganda against Napoleon. Economists are idiots LOL and I have a masters in history too and I can speak French and Spanish fluently. you are brainwashed by the English-speaking world. The same reason we have to call socialists labour or Democrats or progressives or social Democrats or Democratic socialists. France Germany Scandinavia Italy and Spain etc etc have had socialist and communist parties for a hundred years and they are totally different and are defined like I am trying to get through your thick English-speaking monolingual brain LOL. I know a lot of economists. They worked with what's his name in Poland, probably the best Economist around the last 30 years. University of Chicago and Michigan... And it is the dismal science they are fooled as often as they aren't.
     
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    Who gave them money? When?
     
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    Giving money to corporations is not especially socialist LOL...
    Communism like Cambodia and Vietnam that you're talkin about and Russia and China has only ever been put in through violent revolution and is pure socialism -it only works with a gun to the Head. A huge failure. At first the Soviet Union said it was Democratic through the committees or Soviets. It took awhile to figure out that was total b*******.
     
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    Pure idiotic conspiracy theory. A GOP staple these days along with pure misinformation... Poor America.
     
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    What is it? Free money is free money.
    And there is talk about Nationalizing some of the business so the Gov't has ownership. Like they did with GM.
     
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    Socialism as every socialist wants is just always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net. Not free money. Think Canada France Germany Scandinavia Australia New Zealand etc etc. You Republicans prefer horrible inequality and upward mobility. Brilliant!
     
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    GM was bailed out not nationalized and they paid it back. The only nationalization I've heard was today and it was about ventilators and masks. The only industries that have been nationalized by socialists are healthcare and energy as far as I know. Necessities that should not be profit-driven.
     
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    Stop talking about communism as socialist. It has nothing to do with what any socialist party in the modern world or Bernie Sanders or any of his supporters want. Get past the Cold war propaganda that loves conflating the two terms. As you said it was the Cold war and the anti Soviet Union propaganda from the west and especially English speakers... Meanwhile all the non-english-speaking modern countries have socialist parties and they are not what you describe. And they sometimes deny they are socialists because they don't want to hear a bunch of garbage from arrogant anglo-american functional idiots....
     
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    Well, off the top of my head... The Sealed Train, and infamous "Red Cross Mission". You're an historian and you've never read The Sealed Train??

    Of course, the left argues today that the motivation for the Rothschilds was to rid themselves of a 2-front war. But in the larger analysis that doesn't hold up.

    Jacob Schiff's grandson estimates that the old man gave $20 million of his personal wealth. A tidy sum in 1918.

    Lend-Lease, The Kama River Truck plant that was built with US money, the floating of loans for decades, the advancement and protection of known Soviet agents within our government who passed on secrets and technology - most notably Harry Dexter White, Harry Hopkins, Owen Lattimore, and Alger Hiss (and many others - all connected to the US/Banking elite), the selling of raw materials to satellite countries to ensure the Soviets could keep the North Koreans and Viet Cong supplied during those wars, et al.

    You have to remember that their long term goal has always been world government - that they themselves would control of course. It was why they founded The League of Nations and the UN.

    To that end, communism was just another vehicle for them to get to where they wanted to go.

    David Rockefeller was very open about his goal of achieving world government. It was why he founded the Tri-Lateral Commission. It was why Edward Mandell House founded the CFR.
     
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    The UN was founded by member states who wanted to introduce an international rules based system, after the near extinction experience of WW2.....with the image of that cloud over Hiroshima still etched into their brains...

    Unfortunately, human instinct still prevailed over human reason, and so a veto-power was forced onto the proposed UNSC, despite the strong opposition of many smaller nations.....
     
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    It was St Reagan that keep the USSR going by providing them with all of those grain shipments.
     
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    500 billion of "discretionary aid" to ....yea...corporations

    That's more than HALF the amount of the entire Obama Stimulus package
     
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    Where is that often touted "capitalist charity"?

    We're told that we don't need a social safety net. The rich will simply share all that enormous wealth. Sure

    Oh Facebook is offering a couple million in free ads? Yea...that'll feed my family.

    Where are the billions?
     
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    You don't understand what monetarism means. Central Bankers aren't monetarists. They simply adopt inflation rules and adapt interest rates accordingly.

    Complete red herring! The only substantive Friedman link is the idea that we can use monetary policy, rather than fiscal policy, to solve economic crisis. Of course that's always been favoured. Monetary policy isn't going to threaten the elite. There is evidence, for example, that QE inflamed inequalities. Fiscal policy, in contrast, risks empowering the workers and therefore threatening further wage rises.

    The paper mentioned goes on to guff like the New Classicals. All we see with these petty schools is how a right wing industry was created by the corruption of Keynesianism, as the elite attempted to ensure consistency with neoclassical microeconomics. We see a focus on the Phillips Curve. Then Friedman's use of money illusion to derive a long term vertical curve. Then New Classical nutters using rational expectations to suggest fiscal policy can't do anything. This isn't a debate into monetarism. It is a debate in different schools of thought who have piggybacked off neo-Keynesian ineptness.

    Left wingers know little things, such as providing a generous safety net, empowers entrepreneurial spirit. Right wingers, in contrast, focus on protecting the corporation.
     
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    No, the UN, as with the League of Nations before it, was a creation of the international bankers.

    Everyone involved in the founding was an underling of theirs. Alger Hiss was the first Secretary General of the UN and a Soviet agent in FDR's administration. He was closely tied to the bankers, as were all of the people involved in the founding.

    The planning for the UN began the moment the United States Senate rejected the League of Nations. Edward Mandell House founded the CFR for the purpose of bringing influential people in the fields of academia, media, business, and government into the fold - and then set them to work changing the culture of the US to the point where the American people would accept membership in a world government.

    There are many good books on the subject.
     
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    Fascism is a rightwing reaction to revolutionary socialists. No amount of your uninformed nonsense will change that.
     
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    Here's what Noam Chomsky said...
    "He has also defined Soviet communism as 'fake socialism', particularly because any socialism worthy of the name requires authentic democratic control of production and resources as well as public ownership.

    So please stop confusing the two terms. It means you have been misinformed by the right-wing. English or American! Vive la France LOL
     

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