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  1. gfm7175

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    Yup, you got it right! God is not a genie in a bottle who exists to grant us our wishes.

    Correct. Most people who do not believe in Christianity don't even understand the faith itself, let alone understand the content of the Holy Bible that the faith is based upon.

    Additionally, they are incapable of such education if they have no desire to gain any understanding in the first place.
     
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    How do you know this? Can you "see the future"?

    During my short lifetime alone (I am a millennial), I have gone through numerous major events in my life which, due to their occurrences, have shaped me into who I am today. One particular issue kept nagging at me throughout all of my childhood and early adulthood. I regularly (from a child and on) prayed to God to take that issue away from me, to take that pain away from me, to allow me to be a "normal person". Again and again, my prayers were "ignored". God "wasn't listening", I thought. But, after approximately twenty years, that issue has now gone away. Apparently God was listening after all, but he knew better than I did about what particular time to allow that issue to go away.

    I learned many things during my lifetime because of that issue. For starters, I learned how to pray and the purpose of prayer. The way that I was praying was from a completely selfish standpoint. I wanted MY will to be done rather than God's. I thought that I knew better than God. Because of what I went through, I now know how to pray. Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane is a prime example of how to pray. His humanity knew what he was going to go through, and wondered if there was another way, another option, a way to "avoid the pain". However, he spiritually remained in perfect harmony with the Father and prayed "not my will, but thine, be done".

    Prayer is useful for placing our worries and concerns onto God, for "leaning on God" and helping us to focus on and continue to do his will, whatever that may be for each of us. It is not meant to magically make pain go away or to solve all the worlds troubles or to gain earthly possessions or anything of the sort.


    So, going through what I did has shaped me into who I am, and has brought me much closer to God and has kept me there. If I hadn't gone through what I did, I suspect that I would've grown into someone who was very distant from God, someone who would've let the pleasures of this world choke away any faith that I once had.

    Now, that's just me. How about all of my interactions with others due to what I went through. There are many hundreds or even thousands of people who (after interacting with me or reading through my life experiences such as the ones that I have shared in this very post) could now be a part of The Church ("Bride of Christ") as a result of that very pain that I went through for twenty years. I most certainly did not know any of this twenty years ago, or even a few years ago, but I do know this right now.

    There is a thick enough web of interconnected events in just a single person's life, such as my own... Now, imagine that web multiplied by almost 8 billion... and that only covers people living at this very moment... Add in all the people who have lived prior to them, a number as expansive as the number of stars in the sky or as the grains of sand throughout all the Earth. God, being omniscient, knows how every single event within that insanely complex and interconnected web brings about his "desired result" for his creation.

    I'm not about to challenge that by declaring that God would be able to achieve that "desired result" absent of current events regarding COVID-19.
     
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    One thing is certain given man's fallen nature, if God has a devine purpose in allowing this virus to exist and spread, then it spreading the way it has, does and will is the best way to accomplish those ends.

    It is only an egomaniac who would presume to know of God's intentions in this or to question His intentions.

    Questioning God, like we all do, shows a great lack of understanding of who He is and who we are in relationship to Him.
     
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    Yeah, he's one vicious b******, ain't he? Virus, cancer, all the other rotten diseases, bet he has fun laughing at that. Replace god with satan and you're about right.
     
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    Here's the thing.. if this is what is occurring, all the other options are worse. Even if we peabrain humans can't comprehend that..
     
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    You don't know that. We peabrain humans are fixing quite a lot of what your rotten 'creator' screwed up, that's why we spend so much on health care curing people of the lousy diseases we get. You should take your pompous attitude and get a little humility.
     
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    That's just it, i don't have a pompous attitude.. i am one of the pea brained humans. You realize death only exists because of sin. If there was no sin there'd be no death so blaming it on God is a red herring.
     
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    Who's the Christian God?
     
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    just by coincidence of course its perfect timing to get rid of all those benefit sucking old age baby boomers! Oh wait, thats the other god.
     
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    God does nothing by coincidence. God has this situation firmly under His control even if we don't like the outcome.
     
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    When will you name your God?
     
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    Read the Holy Bible and find out.
     
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    Is your god omnipotent, all powerful and all knowing?
     
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    When did the Bible become holy?

    There are numerous Gods in the Bible, each with its own specific attributes and name, so why don't you say which one is yours?
     
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    It has always been holy.

    Correct.

    The Christian God has many names, depending on the context they are being used in. Jehovah, "I am", LORD, ...
     
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    That is not true. When the Bible was written in the 680s-690s it was not referred to as holy. That adjective was added centuries later.

    If the Christian God has many names, such as "Jehovah, "I am", LORD, ..." why do you worship Jesus?
     
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    perhaps it could have figured out how to do it with a little less suffering, although there does seem to be an awful lot of evidence that if there is a god it’s a sadist!
     
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    No, it's always been holy. It's always been the very words of God, according to Christianity.

    Because, according to Christianity, Jesus is God, just like The Father is God, just like The Holy Spirit is God.
     
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    The best thing about Gods is that they are all imaginary. Consequently, believers can give their favorite delusions whatever attributes they want them to have. Although countless people have claimed to believe in the Jesus character as their designated God, not one person has ever been able to do what he said that a person who has even the finest bit of faith can do. Jesus should still be wiggling on the cross. Now that would be impressive and convincing. Instead, he vanished like a wisp of fog in the hot bright sun light, never to be seen again, just like Robin Hood or Merlin.
     
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    Circular Argument Fallacy. You are now attempting to use a circular argument in a proof. (A->A)->A is not valid argumentation.

    See above. You asked the question, so I gave you an answer to it. If you have no desire to learn about Christianity, then why even ask that question in the first place?

    You are forgetting about the importance of God's will with regard to that passage.

    I doubt you'd be convinced, even then.

    Yup. According to Christian belief, he is now in heaven with The Father, preparing a place for The Bride. His return for his Bride is imminent.
     
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    This is going to be like “ The Bride of Frankenstein”
     
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    Jesus isn't wiggling so I'm not convinced. Why are you convinced when you have no clue as to who came up with the fairy tale in the first place? Why don't you believe in the countless other ancient ethnocentric religious fairy tales from around the world? Are you impressed because the biblical fairy tale is written on flimsy paper and your life is filled with constant propaganda that claims that it is true? Even the Peter character didn't believe in Jesus because he didn't have enough faith in him to walk on water. He took one step and immediately sank beneath the roiling waves.
     
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    Okay.

    There are various reasons (derived from evidences) for why I have decided to place my faith in Jesus.

    Because I have decided to place my faith against them.

    There are various reasons (derived from evidences) for why I have decided to place my faith in Jesus.

    Read the Bible again. Peter DID believe in Jesus. Peter DID have enough faith and DID walk on water (while he was focused on Jesus instead of worldly things, anyway).

    No, he was walking on water just fine (so long as he kept his focus on Jesus). The very moment that his focus shifted to worldly things was the very moment that he began to sink.

    I suggest reading through the Bible again as your current understanding of various Biblical stories is not very good.
     

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