Open Borders Dems Threaten U.S. Health Care System

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  1. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Imagine having the sort of imagination that produces such hateful rhetoric to smear a group with. And you speak of hate? lol
     
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    There are still INS officers hanging around hospitals to pick them off if they show up.

    Plus they can't afford to stay home when sick.

    This isn't a change. It's how we choose to run our system.
     
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    You're just pointing out that we need to be doing a better job of fighting COVID.
     
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    https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/
    Why Would an Undocumented Immigrant Pay Taxes?
    Though there are many undocumented immigrants who are paid “under the table” for their work and do not pay taxes on their income, many others do pay in the hope that it will someday help them become citizens. Much of the evidence for this motivation is anecdotal, but various attempts at comprehensive immigration reform legislation over the last decade, including the “Gang of Eight” bill S.744, have included provisions like “good moral character” and “paying back taxes” as requirements for obtaining legalization. A provable history of paying taxes is seen as one way to show good faith, should such a bill ever pass.

    Only certain non-citizens are eligible to receive a Social Security number. If an immigrant is authorized to work temporarily—whether through a work visa like an H1-B or a temporary work-authorized status such as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) or Temporary Protected Status—a Social Security number is issued and remains valid for the length of the work authorization period. Green card holders, refugees, asylees, and certain other non-citizens who are allowed the live and work in the United States indefinitely are also eligible for a Social Security number with no restrictions. Undocumented immigrants are not eligible to obtain a Social Security number.
     
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    All 100% legal. I assume you never read the link. Google it.
     
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    You mean China and their food and sanitary policies?
     
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    I only calls em as I sees em.

    And as this thread will attest to.
     
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  8. FatBack

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    It's not legal for an illegal to use a fraudulent, SS#.

    In fact, it's not legal for you or I.

    I dont have to goggle or look at your link, I'm aware of it.
     
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    Hogwash, you painted your political opposites as white people, who want a vaccine, only for other whites.

    I'm astounded that you seem to post such rubbish....
     
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    I know that, but that's not what I've just said in my comment. Re-read it.
     
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    Sorry, but I doubt this very much in the case of illegals. Not saying a few might, but instinct tells me this would be very rare, so I doubt the "many".

    Thanks this is good information. I suspect many of these programs will go by the wayside soon. But it seems these are legals. And the post I quoted was referring to illegal aliens.
     
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    So how are they filing taxes?
     
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    https://proconnect.intuit.com/taxpr...ews/how-to-prepare-taxes-for-daca-recipients/

    On June 15, 2012, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced that it would not deport certain undocumented youth who came to the United States as children. Under a directive from the DHS secretary, these youths may be granted a type of temporary permission to stay in the United States called “deferred action.” The Obama administration called this program Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA). This article is designed to provide guidance for tax professionals preparing and filing tax returns for DACA recipients.

    The first thing to note is that DACA recipients are authorized to work in the United States. They are provided with an employment authorization document (EAD) that allows them to work legally. The EAD is also known as a work permit or I-766.

    Once the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) issues an EAD work permit, the DACA recipient can apply for a Social Security number (SSN). The Social Security card will read “valid for work only with DHS authorization.” Use this SSN to file their taxes. Do not use an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number. Take a look at Publication 3535 to see what this Social Security card looks like.
     
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    You know citizens used to do those jobs before illegals stepped in and worked for less, right? And illegals can’t really pay taxes unless they’re using stolen SS#s. Unless you’re talking sales tax, hehe. And most are paid under the table in cash. NO TAXES.
     
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    I'm not astounded tRUMP wants only whites in this country legally. At least with rights. I know he wants non whites in the country,
    He's had several companies he owns, hire them to clean up his bathrooms. tRUMP needs them to do jobs whites won't do.
     
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    And just remember folks-open borders Japan who totally takes in lots of immigrants got sick after the U.S.
     
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    I'm not buying that consists of 100% of them. Nope.
     
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    Oh, indeed! My early jobs were doing janitorial and cleaning in hospitals.

    Of course, those jobs all paid at least minimum wage, with time and a half, holiday pay, sick time, soc security, and medical pay. I remember being bummed that my medical insurance had a FIFTY DOLLAR DEDUCTIBLE before it started paying a 100% of my medical bills!

    It also about 15 years later when the Republicans and the President were adding a "co-payment", starting with 10% because people needed a incentive to avoid to get medical care! What idiocy! Oh, yeah, I was going to the doctor to get a colonoscopy or a hernia surgery to blow money! As a Republican at the time, this was my first clue that too many Republicans were going nuts!

    Anyway, it is the business OWNERS who are accepting and even procuring fake green cards to get their illegal workers work a minimum wage or less (fake partime work, etc).

    But many these illegals HAVE to file a W4 that will require 2 or 3 deductions maximum, Full social security, Medicare, workmans comp, unemployment, NONE of which woulder ever go back to these illegals!

    All pure profit to government and never a dime to the illegals! These whines that illegals are ripping off America is BS!

    Actually, the whole janitorial and cleaning industry at businesses has been taken over by "cleaning and landscaping companies" that are contractors who are being hired by the big companies, who these contractors are bring in over illegals for a few bucks an hour if they are lucky, but the "contractor" handls it all. It remains these contractors are STILL being paid by our biggest companies to work the illegals. Republicans don't care, Trump doesn't care, their ony desire is to make sure the unions don't start to get these sub-minimum workers unionized to tgen have to pay proper wages, taxes etc!
     
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    I never said that it was 100% of them.
     
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    So how are the others paying taxes? Whose SS# did they steal?
     
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    They aren't paying taxes, they're mostly day workers. There's your answer.
     
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    But the left assures me illegals pay lots of income taxes. You calling them wrong? ID fraud is another crime they routinely engage in.
     
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    Can you even file a legal W4 without legal ID? Frankly if an illegal is being taken advantage of that’s on them. They have an easy solution. Go home if they don’t like how they’re being treated.

    There is plenty of well documented data out there outlining how much illegal immigration costs the nation. I suggest you go read it. Whatever piddly insignificant amount some might ILLEGALLY pay into SS that they can’t receive is still dwarfed by a free visit to the ER or their illegal kids attending school and the future generations of offspring that should never exist. Not to mention a single rape, murder or drug deal or human trafficking. What does that cost? Is a murder worth $10k, $1million?
     
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    Here, here is one!

    "123-45-6789" That is all it takes! A year or two or never, IRS will send request for clarification and other paperwork, but the worker would not even live tgere in the first place and the employer asked nothing, checked nothing and never cared. Like most employers, they know they are ripping off illegals.

    Exactly. This is exactly what these employers want. Then when the workers get caught (almost never), the employers Cry how evil these illegals are as they dispach a bus to go down to the border to hire another batch of illegals! Of cours, the employers pocket the unpaid wages of the deported illegals for their own wealth!

    There is NO "well documented data out there outlining how much illegal immigration costs the nation"! Lol! These bogus and utterly undocumented summaries of what illegals costs, both the country but especially to the employers who use lies, cruelty, indifference and indifference to increase their own wealth while screwing American workers! The Republicans the most and Trump, despite his rhetoric about "America First", enables the employers ways the screw Anerican workers.


    That "piddly insignificant amount some might ILLEGALLY pay into SS that they can’t receive is still dwarfed by" NOTHING! These unpaid taxes are hundreds of BILLIONS at LEAST!

    Drug deal won't happen without illegals? Human trafficking won't happen without illegals? Rape and murder of illegals against citizens are so rare that even Fox News has to complain for months on a SINGLE CASE!

    Why don't Republicans call Trump to stop illegals in is own businesses and stop hiring foreigners to work at his businesses and his family to stop having his stupid little clothes and bad jewellery manufactured in the USA? There are no jewellery and seamstresses in the USA?

    This bunch of BS by Trump, the Republicans, and the Right Wing propaganda is nauseating!
     
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    Liberals from the Blue State of Maine are now cutting down trees as a make shift Barrier to prevent Legal Alien New York, New Jersey and Connecticut Citizens from coming into their area in fear of Coronavius spread. Amazing how quick Liberals become supporters of Barriers and Walls. Yup! President Trumps Mexico Border Wall is DEFINATELY getting built now and the Mexicans are going to PAY! and build it to Prevent Americans from trespassing into Mexico to escape the Covid 19 Epidemic in the USA. Liberals didn't get this excited about Border Security when Illegals from the Mexico, Hondurus, Guatamala and other places brought Measles with them when they Sneaked into the USA, why are they acting so Racist and Harsh against fellow US Citizens in their own Country.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...antine-out-towners-cutting-down-tree-n1171596
     
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