Trump plan calls for classifying coronavirus risk county by county

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/26/cor...ls-for-classifying-risk-county-by-county.html

This plan reads to me like a desperate attempt from health experts to appease Trump's desire to rapidly reopen the country. Essentially, this will categorize, at the county level, the "risk" level of the virus and thus, presumably, a lower risk county could start to relax social distancing.

There are two problems, as far as I can tell. The first is the lack of testing sufficient to be able to accurately determine which counties are high vs low risk. The second is the fact that there is nothing to prevent a person from a high risk county to drive across the county lines to a "low" risk county and go to their restaurant or whatnot.

But hey, it's a good thing that viruses have to obey city limits.

 

So every county is the same as NY?

 

It just means that Trump wants his map multi colored like his Axis and Allies Global 1940 game board

 

No, thanks for contributing.

 

I'll give him some credit if he intends to lock down the counties with the highest rates of infection, then proceed incrementally. I'd like to see it all locked down myself, at least until the hospitals are reinforced.

I'm really hoping to see some good news soon, regarding meds and treatments. Once we have that we could let up a bit.

 

I don't think he can lock down high risk counties. He can just provide that data to the Counties, Cities, and States and then let them decide.

I could see some value behind locking everything down for several weeks, studying the data on a localized level, and then making those classifications. But if you do it too soon or you do it without nearly universal testing, then you risk creating new hotspots by encouraging people in high risk areas (which are already on the downward slope) to flee to low risk areas (which are already on the upward slope).

 

I got 3:1 that trump uses this map to classify countries that he won in 2016 as low risk and counties that Clinton won in 2016 as high risk.

 

As of now, my county has no cases, the county north of me has 1. With info such as this, it will be easier to see what areas can begin to reopen (no one is suggesting we re-open tomorrow). We are not New York and never will be. The whole country doesn't need to stay shut down due to a few hot spots. When other areas appear to have fewer new cases, it's time to begin considering re-opening.

 

Well, most of the counties with the most infections went for HRC in 2016, so that's more or less where we're headed.

 

Do you live in Louisiana? If you do, you may be interested to know that this year's Mardis Gras contributed to the spread and subsequent drastic increase in the number of Covid-19 in Louisiana. The Mayor of Louisiana is pleading for federal help and stated that they cannot go on without it. She stated that plans for Mardi Gras went on despite the coronavirus outbreak.

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/...says/289-4f4f1a81-7874-4bd0-8053-c0c254a3042b

“We now think in large part Mardi Gras happened when this virus was circulating and 1.4 million people came to our city, many came from all over Louisiana to New Orleans, they caught beads, but also caught COVID-19,” Gee said.

Cantrell is one of several politicians who have been critical of the White House's early response to the coronavirus outbreak. President Donald Trump downplayed the virus early on, saying that the first diagnosed cases in Washington state would be cleared up within weeks and the country would be virus-free after.

“One day, it’s like a miracle. It will disappear,” he predicted on Feb. 27, two days after Mardi Gras.

 

Universal testing for active virus is problematic. Until millions of bedside tests are available universal testing is not rational or realistic. Bedside tests don't require labs, lab techs, lab time, lab supplies, transport and collection and transport of active viral specimens. Visualize millions of specimen vials. Visualize millions of potentially contagious people getting their nasal cavity swabbed by EMT's, Nurses etc.

New York health officials are downplaying universal testing, and testing beyond those in direct contact with a confirmed case, presenting with symptoms or health care workers. It overwhelms the system. It ties up health care workers and exposes unnecessarily health care workers as well as congregates people who are positive with those that aren't. More importantly universal on demand viral testing consumes medical supplies not just including lab reagents etc but PPE with little reward.

https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1241475460195893251
Mark D. Levine
@MarkLevineNYC·
Mar 21

NEW: NYC Health Dept. has made a dramatic change in its guidance on testing. "Outpatient testing must not be encouraged, promoted or advertised." Yes you read that right. Tests must be *only* for those hospitalized or w/ serious health complications. Period.


The message should be act as if you have the virus. Even if viral testing is universal it just gives a snapshot of infectious status days prior that could and will change moment by moment. A negative viral test not updated daily is meaningless and perhaps provides a false sense of security, it's not a prophylaxis.

A negative test also misses those that have already recovered from the virus.

The instant viral test would be efficacious, first for diagnosis in a clinical setting, then for all in areas where community transfer is established. It's being produced as we speak. However, it as well would be useless in quantifying total cases. Those who've recovered would produce a negative result.

Now, what would prove valuable is an antibody test. It would show who has recovered, thus safe to return to work and for health care workers etc. allowing reduced need for personal protective equipment.

An antibody test would allow us to get a more accurate read of total cases. Currently we aren't counting those that have had mild response and recovered in case totals. If we could we would know the real fatality rate, critical rate, ICU rate, ventilator rate, mild case rate, asymptomatic rate etc. Active cases + Positive antibody results would give us a real total case rate, susceptibility rate and infectious rate.

The hysterics are near an end. The media hype, click baiting, irresponsible speculation and fear-mongering is about to end. An Antibody bedside test is being produced as is the instant viral test. We will know with near certainty what to expect and how to allocate resources.


Now, about the immorality of borders:


Coronavirus In RI: Anyone Coming From NY Ordered to Quarantine
There are 33 new cases of the new coronavirus in Rhode Island, bringing the total to 165.
By Rachel Nunes, Patch Staff

Mar 26, 2020 2:55 pm ET | Updated Mar 26, 2020 4:07 pm ET

PROVIDENCE, RI — The number of cases of the new coronavirus spiked by 33 cases on Thursday, Governor Gina Raimondo announced. Starting immediately, anyone coming into the state from New York state will be mandated to self-quarantine for 14 days, the governor said.

Nearly half of the nation's cases of COVID-19 are from New York, particularly the New York City metro area, Raimondo said, and the number of cases is rising every day. Because of its geographical proximity to Rhode Island, this measure is necessary to keep the infection rate down, she said.

"No matter how you come to Rhode Island - bus, car, train, plane - you are ordered to quarantine for 14 days," Raimondo said. "In my judgement this is the most prudent form of action in light of the crisis."

Members of the National Guard will be stationed at train and bus stations to gather the contact information of anyone coming in from New York. In addition, the Rhode Island State Police will station troopers at the state border to flag down vehicles with New York license plates.

 

I live in northern Arkansas since 2015, but was born in raised in southeast Louisiana. Been on this forum since 2011, hence the name I'm unable to change. I have zero ZERO doubt that Louisiana's numbers are due to Mardi Gras. I've been to enough Mardi Gras in my years to know who tight it gets packed in the quarters. It should have never happened.

 

Brilliant plan! We need to get the details of what’s going on with this virus. Knowledge kills fear.


The real question is why are dems scared of this data? Why don’t they want the American people to have more knowledge about it and what areas are impacted? Could it be they want to keel Americans in fear?

 

While Trump was stopping travel from China.........

 

The left: "Trump is a fascist totalitarian dictator!"

Also the left: "Trump needs to lock down the entire country!"

 

Yes, I agree that was totally irresponsible! Oxiris barbot's tweet is from February 2, so I can't fault her for not knowing what the future would hold for NYC.


De Blasio haunted by weeks-old tweet urging people to 'get out on the town despite coronavirus'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...le-to-get-out-on-the-town-despite-coronavirus
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio urged people to go out and catch a movie just three weeks before his city became the U.S. epicenter for the coronavirus outbreak.

On March 1, the first case of the coronavirus was announced in New York City. At the time, more than 80,000 people worldwide had confirmed cases of the virus, and President Trump had issued travel warnings against South Korea and Italy. However, de Blasio wasn't as concerned.

 

So far.

But is that because of population density or because of a lack of testing? And will the Trump counties catch up or pass them by next week?

 

Well New York City is explained by people conditioned to be selfish and thus self-serving and concerned only about themselves. The O.P. -- probably unconsciously -- takes the New York City concept and applies it universally as a motivator to the rest of the nation, figuring that everyone else is innately equally selfish. This is why city bound Yankees generally don't 'get' either country people or southerners . . . who tend more to adhere to the God and Country sort of mindset; and even a great many of the ones that are themselves living inside cities.

 

You are white-washing history to act like Trump's partial travel restriction was his only actions against the virus at the time. Trump made dozens of public statements that downplayed the threat of the virus, he lied about the virus, and he contradicted the health experts at precisely the same time as those tweets you are using to attack New York officials.

And let's be clear - when Trump locked down certain types of travelers from China, the virus had already been in the country, spreading, for weeks.

 

Trump can not lock down the entire country, but he can provide a consistent message of the need for such to States, Local Governments and Businesses.

 

So you are saying Trump himself will do the classifying. How absurd.

 

Not what I said or am saying.

 

Well yea you did

 

So should bum fuk Idaho have the same Corona policies as NYC?

 

One size fits all?