Trump considering quarantine parts of New York, New Jersey, Connecticut

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  1. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    He needs to do the travel ban so infected New Yorkers stop coming here to Florida to infect us
     
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    My recollection is that it was transmitted from China to South Korea by a group of South Koreans visiting China. It spread from there elsewhere, possibly in our case to Seattle and onward. The suspension of U.S.-Chinese flights was certainly the right thing to do, but obviously inadequate in itself.
     
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    He should have said, IMO, "we're looking at various actions and coordinating those potential actions with the applicable State Governors." End of story.
     
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    Let me introduce Democrats to a little something called: Personal responsibility. Regardless of what Trump says or doesn't say, you're a governor of a very very large State. Said State also happens to be one of the hosts of our economy, one of the biggest boons of travel with a YUGE Airport.

    What do you do?

    A: Immediately shut down traffic
    B: Sit there and wait for more than half the month and only after you've hit 15K cases decide to do A.

    Cumou chose A, and the whole country is suffering as a result.

    I would've shut down traffic on day one and I'm not being a hypocrit. We were getting outbreak info from NYC on DAY ONE of the crisis. He just SAT THERE.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but if Trumps clicks his heels and says "Quarantine" then it magically becomes something better somehow.

    Why are they bitching at Trump? Where's Cuomo the oh-so-presidential hero?

    For people who hate Trump so bad, they sure are desperate for his attention and his help.
     
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    When you’re president you can handle things any way you want and armchair presidents can second guess you.
     
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Under what Constitutional powers would the President act in establishing state quarantines, without the invitation of the impacted State Governors or Legislatures?
     
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    Good question and I’m no constitutional scholar so I have no answer. I do know however Trump can do it and if some entity takes it to court a constitutional argument will be made.
    This brings up another point. Under what constitutional authority can governors force businesses to close and put the rest of us under virtual house arrest?
     
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    The powers of State Governors would vary with State law. I would think most, if not all, would have emergency powers enabling them to act in the public interest. Some states may have legislative powers that would allow the State Legislature to challenge the Governor's decisions. The Constitutional authority would lie in the Tenth Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor profited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
     
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    In other words you don’t know either
     
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    Yeah...I know. There is nothing in the U.S Constitution that would give the President the right to impose a partial quarantine regarding a specific State or group of States. And, the powers of the Governors would be enumerated in State law, per the Tenth Amendment.
    What do you think wasn't answered?
     
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    Trump found out he can't do that without invoking martial law. Cuomo said it would amount to a Federal declaration of war. So now it is just an advisory.

    Once again he had to be told that he's not a king. :rolleyes:
     
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    Breaking: Trump isn't going to quarantine NY or anywhere else. Ball is in Cuomo's court...lol
     
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    Trump has hinted at a 2-tiered response to the China virus.

    States with few cases will continue with social distancing, etc and return to work.

    The states with large numbers of cases (generally democrat states) will follow the restrictions of their local and state leaders.
     
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    Hey I was looking for Biden’s remarks. Can you link them I’m not finding them?
     
  16. stone6

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    There is, apparently, a statute law that would allow the CDC to establish movement restrictions on both international travel into the U.S. and between States within the U.S. Whether that statute law is constitutional or not is a different story. I would think it could be...treating the "virus" as an enemy invasion. But, the best way to pursue such would be in conjunction with the impacted State Governors.
     
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    That is your opinion. Cuomo shows what a partisan idiot he is
     
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    Section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264)

    (d) Apprehension and examination of persons reasonably believed to be infected
    Regulations prescribed under this section may provide for the apprehension and examination of any individual reasonably believed to be infected with a communicable disease in a qualifying stage and (A) to be moving or about to move from a State to another State; or (B) to be a probable source of infection to individuals who, while infected with such disease in a qualifying stage, will be moving from a State to another State.

    The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.
     
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    The same thing is going to happen in these states as in New York, Italy, Spain etc...

    What kind of stupidity are you gonna come up with when Texas will be full of sick people?
     
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    Trump would've given up on quarantining New York.

    Wouldn't have made any difference anyway.

    If the trend continues, there will be 1 million infected cases within 7 days.
     
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    And that's a lie.
     
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    I wouldn't worry about it. What are the plans for Nunavut?
     
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    Thanks...the good old "commerce clause" of Article I, Section 8. Personally, I have no problem with that usage, although I also believe it's a bit of a stretch to associate a foreign origin virus with international and interstate commerce.
     
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    "we might not have to do it but there's a possibility that sometimetoday we'll do a quarantine. Short term, two weeks for new york probably new jersey, certain parts of connecticut" Without actually communicating with the governor of new york about it. Then announces that finally no, not gonna do it. What. Just tryingsomething out on stage? Working on your material?
    Tell me in what universe this was a good idea? I am much more open minded than you give me credit for. I have said repeatedly on these boards that after an initial stumble, when trump thought that he could charm and improv his way out of this the actual response of the trump administration was good. But his lack of concentration and focus has real world repercussions and he just needs to stop talking.
    Just by saying what he said, he may have sent thousands of people who were on the fence about leaving new york packing that very day for fear of being quarantined in state. He also reinforced this us vs them attitude which I find shocking, cruel and unamerican. Just read these boards to see the disdain that people have for Americans that are being ravaged by this disease. It is shocking. Comments like this do not help. At all.
    Americans have a huge ability for sacrifice. And if you ask them to take one for the team, they will all stand up to the challenge. When you tell them to, you're in for a different response.
    To just pull this out of his hat to then try to stuff it back in was really bad.
    Please explain to me why this was a good idea or even justify it not being a terrible idea
     
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    No quarantine.

    So once again, blue staters will continue to move to red states and destroy them.

    We’ve seen this rodeo before.
     
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