Why doesn't socialism work?

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  1. jdog

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    So, how do you get the good for nothing lazy people to work?
     
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    the bums used to be called the unfortunate until Ronald Reagan made blaming the poor acceptable. Then came the big giveaway to the rich the last 35 years. Great job GOP.
     
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    4 30 -35 years now under Reagan tax rates we have not had the money to invest in infrastructure like low income housing. Great job! Better than chasing around and making them hide. No wonder they went out there. We never had homeless until Reagan.
     
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    Really? Then what were hobo's, people on a camping expedition?
     
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    Maybe the GOP should allow a living wage so the jobs are worth taking.
     
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    Hobos probably.
     
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    But you said there was none before Regan.....
     
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    I know ,let's have another tax cut for the rich and higher college and training cost for everyone else. You are just hitting yourself in the face with a two-by-four. why are we the only rich country without a living wage health Care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations? And mainly taxing the rich more than everyone else? This is stupid wake up
     
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    Not homeless really they liked it and were basically burglars LOL
     
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    We're agreed on that, in part.

    Where you lose the trail is failing to understand that,

    1) The Federal Reserve is a private bank, controlled by sharholders.

    2) Those shareholders are the same central bankers who wrote The Federal Reserve Act, and controlled then, and still control today all of the member banks.

    3) That the central banks of Europe (controlled by Rothschild interests) and The Federal Reserve (controlled by Warburg, Morgan, Schiff, Vanderlip, et al - all of whom are tied to the Rothschilds) work in concert together, and deliberately orchestrated the crash.

    In 1920, the American people rejected the League of Nations, and were properly educated with respect to the Constitution and its negative nature.

    The schemes of the Robber Barons stood no chance of gaining enough popular support to overcome the Constitution.

    The Robber Barons needed to create a crisis sufficiently debilitating enough to move enough of the American away from their fidelity to the Constitution.

    The Depression served this purpose very nicely, and the Robber Barons saddled us with the foundation of a control system they could build upon to increase their control over the people.

    Prior to their meeting on Jekyl Island they had all been competitors.

    When they came together to write and form the Federal Reserve, they ceased being competitors. They became partners and began working to use monetary and legislative policy to harness the power of government for themselves to rule over the people.
     
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    The Republicans wrecked the league of Nations and the treaty of Versailles and the world economy with their corrupt great depression. Their isolationism and the depression led to Hitler and Japanese militarists. Great job
     
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    The robber barons were in the second half of the 19th century. Your banker conspiracy is bologna as well.
     
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    Yes, your cogent and in depth analysis has persuaded me ;)
     
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    It absolutely IS socialism. Non-profit self-reliance, via collective.
     
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    If it doesn't involved the following lore, it's not socialism: "If you don't work, you don't eat".
     
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    We're seeing that come home to roost, big time. Every single one of the people I know who are currently hovering on the precipice of bankruptcy, did it to themselves. All had ample opportunity to do things differently, but choose to 'have fun' instead. They blew all their dough, assuming someone else would save them if the SHTF.
     
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    You can't, that's why it has to be voluntary. Only those who know that they must work to eat, will volunteer.

    Any kind of forced compliance (as per state socialism) will end in disaster .. for precisely that reason. We've spent generations eroding our work ethic, and becoming very very jealous of our freedoms.
     
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    You are misinformed. It's capitalism sounds like LOL some Republicans want.
     
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    Everyone would like to have a good job. As opposed to all these GOP jobs. Low salary no benefits great job
     
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    If it will not work on a State level, then it is impracticable as a real economic model. It can only be practiced on a small scale, with a small minority of people like nudist camps or religious retreats. And it is liberalism that has destroyed work ethic and instilled jealousy. Especially for people who are successful.
     
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    These GOP low salary jobs were mostly created during the Obama years; sorry to inject facts into your rant....
     
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    But it is very seldom non profit. Most employee owned businesses are hugely profitable and the profit is divided among the employees according to the articles of incorporation.
     
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    Sheer nonsense until LBJ taking care of the less fortunate was a community affair. Because everyone understood that there is a difference between being down on your luck, and refusing to work. It is leftists that decided that people who were just lazy bums deserved the same consideration as people who had been seriously injured or become ill and could no longer work.
     
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    A more thorough attempt at standing history on its head has never been written. Japanese militarism goes back centuries. The league of nations was an even more toothless beast than the current United Nations and it was killed by the fact that Italy, Germany and Japan simply ignored it at will. The two chief factors in The Great Depression were the Treaty of Versailles which permanently wrecked the German economy, and a series of protectionist tariffs passed by almost every nation in the industrialized world which all but shut down world trade. The only good thing to come out of the Great Depression was the end of the Mecantlist economic delusion that China is now trying to revive.
     
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    Intelligence helps, but it's no substitute for intellectual honesty.
    I'm a bad example because I spend a lot of time outside the country, in many years the majority of the time. I live part of the year in Canada and until recently (!) travelled the world. The media here aren't so much tightly controlled as reactive to public hostility for criticizing America, and programmed to incite viewers who respond by staying tuned in. Of course, there are some things government does not want reported at all, and there is direct government pressure on those matters.
    As I said, I spend much of the year outside the United States.
    I hate to tell you, but you have some ideas about how the economy works that are quite simply wrong. When I've pointed out details of how you're wrong, you don't seem interested in understanding.
     

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