Trump concocted DEATH PANELS

Who invented those ventilators? The private sector or the public sector?

Anti-capitalists fail to realize that without private enterprise, many of the inventions and innovations that we enjoy are a product of that enterprise based around individual desire to profit in the private sector.

What you are essentially saying is "the private sector created this life threatening technology but because it was profited off of, it's bad and I want it for free because private enterprise sucks". It's a childish "me, me, me" mentality that fails to understand why private enterprise is the basis for nearly all of the comforts and technologies we enjoy.

 

Where did I say that?

I am disappointed at that straw man

 

So??

Actually the first real commercial ventilator was the bird invented by an American Dr Forrest Bird

 

Sure if you want to go that route. :shrug:

So.... he tells Pence to not call them...knowing that Pence will call them anyways.... What does that say? Simple. Trump is not serious about not wanting Pence to call them. IE: Trump was joking around. You can even tell that in the face of both Trump and the reporter he's responding to because both smiled and chuckled.

That context is FAR and away different than the simple "Trump admits telling Pence not to call governors"...wouldn't you say? They're so different in fact that they're polar opposites. The media took a PART of what Trump said and made it out to be far different than what actual context shows.

 

And did I say it did?

 

The only effort I'm going to give for a response to this is refer you to post 92 and my response to it in post 108. You're not worth any other effort.

 

There are only so many resources to go around. And no matter the math or route taken, there are pluses and minuses and trade offs. It's a judgment call. That's what we elect our representatives to do. They aren't miracle workers.

 

Exactly! Well said!

 

More proof that MSM = Fake News.

 

No I wasn't. You were. I was comparing our response with what it would be if we had a universal healthcare system. Which, BTW, you were unable to ... let's not even say "rebut".... you were unable to even so much as address.

 

I can think of very few things as tedious as reading the whole ACA. But no... you confuse sources. The "death panel" nonsense is Palins. Who I very much doubt read the ACA.

And I can tell by you repeating her "mistakes". IPAB issued general recommendations and proposals. Nothing anywhere near determining how many people would be saved in one State whose governor is "nice" to Trump vs another who is not as "nice". Nor would IPAB be able to make a proposal even remotely similar. Because any proposal that would ration health care or restrict benefits would be out the window without so much as a glance.

"The proposal shall not include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums under section 1818, 1818A, or 1839, increase Medicare beneficiary cost sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and co-payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria."​

IPAB was the part of Obamacare that would look for cost reduction under the restrictions outlined above. it never saw the light of day. At that point, you can thank Trumpcare for the increasing costs in healthcare. Not Obamacare. And this is consistent with the New Republican Party: the party of big wasteful spending.

There might be things to criticize about IPAB. But being a "death panel" is complete an utter nonsense.

 

We can compare...we've done a much better job then both the UK and Italy. They have much worse numbers, and have been completely overwhelmed. We have not

 

See comment #47.

 

I bet it's the same face I have when reading your nonsense, like this post

 

Lame point, the gov is simply the one that finds the people, and creates the standards.

 

Here is how GOV ran ANYTHING works.

Johnson & Johnson, U.S. government plan one billion doses of coronavirus vaccine

(Reuters) - Johnson & Johnson (JNJ.N) said on Monday it made a $1 billion deal with the U.S. government to create enough manufacturing capacity for more than 1 billion doses of a vaccine it is testing to fight the new coronavirus that has killed more than 34,000 people around the world.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-admits-telling-pence-not-to-call-governors/vi-BB11OC5F

 

Sigh!
You said: " I didn’t confuse anything, you were comparing our numbers to Italy...directly.
I responded: "No I wasn't. You were. I was comparing our response with what it would be if we had a universal healthcare system."
And now you respond: "We can compare... we've done a much better job then both the UK and Italy. "

What the hell does what I said I'm comparing have to do with UK and Italy?

What hope is there for a serious debate with you when you don't even know what you're debating.

 

So- You think that the president should be clairvoyant, see the future?
Or, that he should believe everybody that wants to give him advice?

Life isn't like that, and you know it.
The question is like the stock market- if you are wise, you are making educated choices with what you feel is the best information available.
IF you allow every whim that is thrown out to alter your course, you will be wrong most of the time, if not all the time.
IF you fail to consider all the relative factors- INCLUDING your responsibility to keep people positive, you will be making HUGE mistakes.
Just this morning I met the first person I've run across that was in full freak-out mode over the virus. A very intelligent and normally rational person- he now thinks that we should have a total lock-down, we all stay home and lock the doors. Unable to see the extreme dangers of a total shut-down. We are walking a narrow line here- make all viable efforts to control the virus, while not self-imploding the economy or the rational capacity of the people.

I often think of a line from "Men In Black"- " A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it". The president knows it too.

This is what the president has to deal with- people like you who want to discredit him for everything you don't understand or agree with- and the range of such opinions and people is endless.
Appeasing you or any like you can't matter, because the lack of understanding of the problems or the job is vast. And if he did so- THEN he would be dead wrong.

What he should be saying to a lot of people is like a sticker I once saw on a sports car dash...- "Sit down, buckle up, shut up and hang on".
He's too nice a guy to tell you that. If he decides too- I will applaud.

 

UK and Italy have universial healthcare.

It's not been able to handle the outbreak...our private system has and done much better

 

SO??

Because here is the problem socialists, or worse anti-capitalists, can't seem to comprehend.

The development of innovative and of products and technologies we all enjoy is BECAUSE of the concept of capitalism and individual growth. This is also the reason why the United States is the absolute world leader in development and innovation. It takes smart people, with the opportunity to personally realize wealth gains to incentivize taking risks and working to find new inventions. Government rarely does this.

It is amazing to me that people who are typically anti-capitalists complaining about things like profit on something like ventilators can't seem to understand that without capitalism, you probably wouldn't have them at all. These people complain about the cost of being able to use them, throwing a fit about "capitalism" while simultaneously failing to realize that free market enterprise is the reason why they exist in the first place. WIthout that evil capitalism, you won't have them at all.

 

Lame? Are you another one that opposes the idea of free market capitalism when it comes to you feeling entitled to other things, while simultaneously failing to see that those "things" were brought to you by capitalism?

 

This is true. Expecting Trump to foresee anything that might happen more than a couple of days into the future is not reasonable.

Anybody else would have understood that if the Federal Government didn't intervene to control the prices of critical medical equipment, the prices would shoot up in a matter of.... less than a week.