Why doesn't socialism work?

And how does that specifically affect your wealth?

 

That's just flat wrong and unsupported by the record. Read Bernanke about how we turned a recession into a depression. Seriously. Read it.

Most Americans have no idea what's in the Constitution, so they have no idea what they might be defending. Anyway, the system was created to protect property, especially the property of the wealthy. Seems to me rich folks like what they have.

Exactly, and I mean exactly, what were rich people hoping to accomplish?

How were they going to "rule over the people" more than they already were? Unions were an illegal conspiracy. Workers had few protections.

 

I've been fully exposed to the things you believe to be true - and used to accept them as true myself.

I was relatively young then though. Some 40 odd years ago I began to study the subjects more in depth and concluded that the mainstream history books were cooked.

Which is why I say read Quigley. He's a leftwing historian with Establishment credentials. He wrote Tragedy and Hope for his blueblood friends... never expected that it would have an audience outside of academia and Establishment circles.

When opponents of the central bankers happened upon the book however, all hell broke loose.

His publisher refused to reprint it, and libraries and bookstores refused to stock it. It became a very hard book to find. I live in Wisconsin, and the library system for the entire state had 1 copy. I had to go on a waiting list... took over a year before I was able to read it.

It's easier to come by these days.

If you fancy yourself an historian, it's a must read.

 

What a load of baloney. The militarists took over in Japan about 1934 killed a lot of politicians. The German the economy had recovered by 1925 along with the rest of Europe. The GOP great depression is what it was. Buying on 10% margin is a great idea! After starting the world depression in 1929, the GOP started the tariff wars in 1930. You have no idea what you're talking about. I have a master's in history you have a master's in garbage propaganda. Everything would have been different if the Republicans had not kept us out of the treaty and the league. And killed Wilson for that matter... For purely political reasons.

 

so why do we have a corrupt economic meltdown every time the Republicans get eight years in office? Your conspiracy theories are bologna.

 

yes yes poor houses and potters Fields were great and it was wonderful when 70% of the elderly were poverty-stricken. Those were the good old days! Absolutely ridiculous. Nobody wants to be on welfare if they can get a good job, not one of these ridiculous GOP $8 an hour no benefits garbage jobs. You are going to get a warm reception at the pearly Gates.

 

Horse **** the German economic collapse in the twenties brought on by the ruinous payments forced upon them by the Brits and French meant that by the time Hitler came to power inflation was so bad in the Weimar Republic that it took a wheel barrow full of marks to by a loaf of bread. 1929 was a product of numerous protectionist tariffs of which Smoot Hawley was only the best known and which were mirrored to a greater lesser extent in every industrialized nation and we're paricularly troublesome for Germany who as a result of the Godawful war - l refuse to call it great, millions dead, among which were the best and brightest of Europe's next generation, ended by a ridiculous peace treated that did little more than destroy two empires and bankrupt a third and guarantee the resumption of hostilities at a latter date all topped by sentencing Russia to 5+ decades of totalitarian despotism. The stock market crash didn't happen in a vacuum. Those who think it did were and are fools.

 

Sure .... I'm only the real thing, Dear. What would I know. No doubt the effete, posturing, middle-class, capitalism adoring, First World Progressives know so much more about it than I do, having done so much communism and all.

 

No doubt. So let's all hold out for a 'good' job, shall we?

Let's see what happens.

 

Thanks for the environmental destruction.

 

Sadly, true.

 

I know what it says... and I know they claim they are not a private bank.

If that were true, we would be able to audit them. Ron Paul and others have tried for decades to audit the Fed.

The 12 member banks are privately owned and contribute 5 of the 12 people on the board. The other 7 are appointed by the President - who nominates whomever the bankers tell him to nominate.

They set policy how they see fit. Any supposed oversight is just window dressing.

In 1920 the average American was much better educated than Americans today. They understood how dangerous government was, and they understood that the Constitution was there to protect them from government.

I'm sure you taught no such thing to your students... Living Constitution that speaks to each generation, yada, yada...

We're not talking about "rich people "... they're a dime a dozen. We're talking about the central bankers.

They accomplished taking over entire companies and industries, flipped the SC to rubber stamp their agenda, and loosened the Constitution's grip on limiting the government.

Overnight they were able to begin confiscating wages from the citizenry and empowered the government to begin regulating the everyday lives of the citizens. SS was the camel's nose under the tent... 90 years later, $25 Trillion in debt, theft thru inflation, and half the country dependent on government??

An Autocrats wet dream.

 

Exactly my point. It only works in the broader context of capitalist democracy, and only on a small scale. But it DOES work, and works very well. EG, those of us who have done it for years have barely felt the impact of COVID. Many of us would now be in real trouble had we not built these collectives against changing economies and circumstances.

But I agree that the Progressive Left destroyed our work ethic. 100%.

 

Didn't happen. There was almost literally no such thing as working poor prior to LBJ. Constantly raising minimum wage meant a living wage constantly increase as well. When minimum wage was a 1.92 you could live the good life on $4 an hour. Then they raised minimum wage to 3.32 and you had to and a half or seven dollars an hour to stay ahead of the game a bit. And they kept raising and all that happened wherever they put it was that more and more people were just hanging on by the skin of their teeth because fewer and fewer jobs were paying twice as much as minimum wage.

 

FALSE. Patently false. Do you know the definition of Socialism? Communism?
Socialists do their best to persuade others of such nonsense. We know why. (Failure)
btw...Socialism is not a form of government.

 

we have a flat tax system if you count all taxes and that means a giveaway to the rich and a screw job for everybody else-Google the only tax graph you need to know. We have no money to invest in infrastructure cheap college and training healthcare daycare paid parental leave.... Great job that's 30 years now. The worst inequality and upward mobility in our history is not trivia. Also never reported on your garbage propaganda machine.

 

Communism is a dictatorship that owns all business and industry. Socialism everywhere but conservative propaganda is always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net. Ask any socialist instead of bought off right wing high School grad pundits...."we are all socialists now!"--president of Finland when ObamaCare passed. France Germany Italy Spain Scandinavia etc etc have had socialist and communist parties and they know the difference. Only in super swine capitalist English-speaking countries is socialism a bad word. But they have socialism they just don't know it. we on the other hand are an incredibly unfair oligarchy thanks for the GOP and its propaganda machine.

 

We were having record tax revenues and your statement about a flat tax system makes no sense. The rich pay over 80% of income tax revenues I'm missing the giveaway can you show me how they paying that percent and the bottom 50% paying virtually nothing and the bottom 25% actually making money off the tax system not a give away to the bottom 50%?

And again how has someone else's wealth ever specifically affected you? How did it every prevent you from earning wealth? Never stopped me.

 

The wheelbarrows full of money was in 19 21 22 23. Although the GOP depression had reached them by 1931-32. Time to go back to school.

 

So do you have an argument or just bologna? I am not really interested in having an argument about communism. It was a total failure. But at least they had health care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training.... So you are a Russian plant LOL. What you described sounds like Savage capitalism work or don't eat. And don't get paid enough just like we have now in the United States.....

 

what do you need a diagram? If you don't have enough taxes you can't have cheap college and the trainingso we can get the good jobs that globalism offers like Germany Scandinavia and France get. I told you Google the only tax graph you need to know. The brainwash says that only the Federal income tax matters LOL, our only progressive tax. They also earn 80% of the income!!!. The payroll tax is as much in total as federal income tax. Years of the GOP cutting federal aid to the state and local means that they have added state and local taxes so that the non-rich pay twice the percentage as the rich 2. You may have also noticed the ridiculously high fees we have now. Thanks to your scumbag GOP good job. Google the only tax graph you need to know. Do you want a diagram? Well-kept secret especially from Republican voters

 

Time to take a class not taught by a leftist twit dude.

 

You want cheap college get the government out it, I want as much college as the person receiving is willing to pay for it, they have right to take my money for it. And FICA taxes are for a defined benefit program which again is a lousy retirement and insurance plans for the higher earners and a great one for those at the bottom that contribute less and BTW the EITC rebates FICA taxes back to those at the bottom. State and locals taxes are local to you, do whatever you want in your city and state, socialism here is a federal issue. Do YOU Need a diagram?



If that's not fair then what would be?

 

Why is the federal government is supposed to tax some citizens to pay for those things for other people?

 

What is it with you and bologna?? Good grief, get a new schtick would ya, lol...

As for what you call "savage capitalism", work or don't eat?? Yeah, that's right...

You're too lazy to take care of yourself?? You reap what you sew.

For those who truly can't provide for themselves?? That's what families are for... and for those who can't provide for themselves and don't have family - we as a nation provide them with housing, food, and medical.

Get a clue.