Dubious Coronavirus Experts Run Amok In Pro-Trump Media

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    At a time when doctors, nurses and health care professionals are working to exhaustion and risking their own safety to treat the COVID-19 outbreak, Fox News and other pro-Trump media outlets have repeatedly given a platform to dubious coronavirus experts with phony or misidentified medical credentials.
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/coronavirus-trump-right-wing-doctors_n_5e7e5a5ec5b66149226712a0

    First of all, let me say that I don't know.... we don't know....nobody knows, what will ultimately be the treatment to cure coronaivurs. Maybe it's Chloroquiene . Maybe it's something else. We just don't know at this point.

    Look... it's tempting to accept just anybody's word. At a time of crisis, everybody who promises an easy way out "sounds" convincing. But, more likely than not, they are just selling snake-oil. And Fox and other right wing media is a breeding ground.

    Here are the facts. The W.H.O. received candidates from all over the world of possible treatments. From hundreds they identified four that were the most promising. The combination Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine was one of the four. So it has a one in four chance of being the answer.

    But we don't know yet. Many studies will have to be carried out all over the world in a program called SOLIDARITY.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...al-four-most-promising-coronavirus-treatments

    But what you should not do is believe anecdotal dubious and untested remedies.

    Keep in mind: A positive study does not mean that the dug is effective. For every positive study that you hear, there might be ten negative studies you never heard about. Why? Because when people are desperate for good news, good news is the only thing they will believe
     
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    Hmmm, interesting! Let me ask, die or take a drug that may or may not work?
     
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    Faux News seems to revel in giving a platform to some of these people to spread unproven Quackery.

    Very sad:smh:
     
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    Is this your third or fourth OP on this drug that you have already ruled out as being beneficial? :deadhorse:
     
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    The drug has been used in many countries and has been though many small scale studies. It’s saving lives. Period. If that upsets you, may be you should take that up with the fda.
     
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    We really should listen to our PF experts though.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But in over 500 posts in one thread it was denied that these drugs would not work.
    Lordy, lordy, who are we to believe?
     
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    You mock FOX for right-wing bias and non-objectivity, and then rely on WHO as a honest broker of science? Who you kidding?

    May I introduce one of FOX’s quacks, at least according to you.

    Amesh Adalja, MD, FIDSA?

    “Dr. Adalja is a Senior Scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. His work is focused on emerging infectious disease, pandemic preparedness, and biosecurity.”
    http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-people/adalja/

    I’ve only see him on FOX, never on CNN or MSNBC, despite a lot of CNN’s and MSNBC’s experts data coming from Johns Hopkins’ scientists and their research.

    Best to watch all three, cross check each with each, and arrive at your own conclusions. None are saints, and all propagate their ideological values.
     
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    Our governor in Michigan now looks like a total idiot as she's like "Okay now I want the medicine" after having an edict against it, not even a WEEK AGO. When Politics overtakes taking care of your own people, lulz.
     
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    The :democrat: and the CCP are same. They will not settle for anything less than total control of your life.
     
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    This drug has been used in a few countries and is known at only a couple small schedule studies what has few or no information. China said it did not find nothing. Another American researcher said it works great and really saved lives with no studies, no information, no backup, not even a review. In other words, a nut case.

    But Rudy Giuliani liked it! So did Trump! What could be better!? Lol!
     
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    Fox, Limbaugh and others are going to be sued out of existence when this is over. They are going to kill a lot of people. No doubt they already have.
     
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    She should consult with the "experts" here who claim to do hours of exhaustive research yet seem to be unable to distinguish between medications that sound the same and post hundreds of times that Trump is endorsing drugs and making people die.
     
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    I'm not saying that doctors shouldn't use them as the very last resort. They should... and they are. I'm saying that it's the doctor, not Fox... not a quack on Fox..., who should bring it up and discuss it with the patient.

    Which also doesn't mean that we should stop promoting Science. But if you're going to do that, hire a professional. Not Laura Ingraham or Hannity. To talk about these drugs the main message is "don't self medicate" and "these drugs are so dangerous that they should only be used as the very last resort". And only a responsible medical professional knows how to do that.

    If you see any "expert" on Fox or on any network, for that matter (and, even worse, a pundit), who doesn't begin with, and insist again and again, on telling people that this is a last resort only because they can kill them... you can be fairly certain that it's a quack.
     
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    Anybody who read the post, and not just the headline like you did, knows that I did not rule out anything. As a matter of fact, I said it was a very promising alternative.

    Not reading posts before responding is a very bad habit that is too frequent on the right. It's the same mindset that makes them more susceptible than most people to believing fake news. Because they tend to jump to conclusions before understanding all the facts. Something that right-wingnut media and most right-wing politicians know and take advantage of to control them.

    So thank you for illustrating my point.
     
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    Hmmm let me ask

    Maybe recover or definitely die because you took a drug that did not work?

    Let me tell you the story of Oxygen and Heart attacks

    For YEARS we had been giving oxygen to heart attack victims - I mean makes sense doesn’t it - they are having a heart attack because that part of the heart has a blocked artery and the tissues are not getting enough oxygen. There was a paper back in the seventies that questioned this wisdom but the research was never refunded and the idea fell by the wayside. Then in the 2000 medical staff revisited the whole idea of giving heart attack victims oxygen ad a couple of solid research projects later we found that oxygen CAN and DOES make heart attacks worse - we still give it if the patient is hypoxic but not routinely
     
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    The media is not pro-Trump. The radical leftist media hates whites, Christians, heterosexuals, capitalists, etc. (the heart of America).
     
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    Was there a run on aluminum foil at your grocery store?
     

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