So, Trump lied again today...

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  1. dairyair

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    He's the man in charge.
    He said 15 would go to ZERO. Most everyone, D's included, thought different.

    150,000 cases later in less than 30 days, proves he was inept at analyzing the situation. The hoax he claimed was those, particular the D's, thinking 15 would not go to ZERO.

    Why you keep defending the missteps trump made at the beginning of this is amazing.
     
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    I used your quote to show kriman how wrong he was. Your quote was accurate.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a rule of thumb for fighting a battle. The plans go out the window immediately after the first shot is fired. Trump was way ahead of the democrats on this. All we heard was how he was overacting until it was found out he was not overreacting and now suddenly he did not act fast enough.
     
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    There's also the fact that Fox News downplayed the virus and called it a hoax by Democrats. Chicken or egg: did Fox News start that hoax meme, and Trump ran with it like he usually does because he watches them all the time? Or did Fox News back the president's play?

    It matters not. The result is the same: epic fail on the part of the Trump administration in their uncoordinated, limp, scattered, and insufficient response to this crisis.
     
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    In comment 91 you quote me as writing the following: "You know that, right? Coronavirus. They're politicizing it."

    I didn't say that, Trump did. I was quoting him in that previous post. Your quoting me as saying that is misleading. I find your lack of accuracy insulting.
     
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    Did you read the playbook? Which plans went "out the window" for this pandemic? What specific reason would the Trump administration have to dismiss it? And in what way, exactly, has Trump been "ahead" of the Democrats or anyone else? Please provide examples, and maybe a little proof.

    Not once during this entire event have I heard or read anyone stating that Trump was overreacting. Please provide a link for that.
     
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    I served twenty years in the military and have read and participated in the writing of many plans. Many of those plans go into the archives and are generally never read again. The purpose is more to write plans than it is to have a plan written in stone. The problem with updating the plans is that situations change and there are thousands of those plans which would have to be continually updated. There are not enough planners to keep them updated. Generally, the only plans which are continually updated are those where the situation requires implementation within hours or days rather for extended periods of weeks or months. In other words, it is doubtful that anyone did anything based on that pandemic plan after it was written.
     
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    I understand that "no battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy" but that's just a generality.

    Again I ask, please quote any specific part of the NSC's pandemic playbook that would no longer be of use, or is outdated, or doesn't apply to this virus. Show me why this document would have been useless. Prove that the Trump administration was right to toss it aside.
     
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    Yes, tRUMP said that.
    That was in the paragraph of tRUMP quotes you posted.
    Sorry, I guess I should have included tRUMP along with the quotes. But the quotes were inside " " indicating a quote that was written. So it's not attributed to you personally.
     
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    tRUMP never knew there was a battle. Not until this last Sunday, Mar 29.
    So the D hoax he referred to was because he was overreacting? Sorry, no one believes that.
    He has never overreacted 1X in this whole pandemic.
     
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    But generally true.
     
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    He was more right than the democrats.
     
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    Having looked at what the President said in the most recent discourse and having witnessed the last two months, it is impossible to take him seriously. To think that he and Biden are what the duopoly have to offer, and that no other parties have a chance or offer anyone better, is not a happy thing. We face the catastrophe of this illness followed by economic disorder and continued top level mismanagement.
     
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    Really, saying 15 going down to 0 was being right?

    Of course, Trump fans would like to forget those Trump quotes quickly and spin them into the perfect response. I am afraid, this time, reality will find itself to be unable to yield to propaganda for political gain.
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    In the case of this playbook, though? I disagree. The Trump administration has handled this crisis very poorly, and it didn't have to be that way. And listen to him now, blaming everyone else as usual, like a child would do. "I don't take responsibility at all" he said last week. That should go on his tombstone.

    You still haven't answered my questions from comment #106. Are you taking it back?
     
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    We’ve spent three plus years attempting to normalize this President.
    All issues follow the same script.

    How does this issue effect Donald Trump?

    Rather than tackle the issue (substance) we get a deep dive into the appearance (style) of the issue.
    As each new piece of data emerges the administration’s position will evolve to manage the appearance. Blame is assigned; fake news, deep state, Liberals, hate.

    We’ve got a bull ******* extraordinaire rather than a man of action in the WH.
    Unfortunately, we’ve got an issue he can’t BS his way through and his naked incompetence is in full view.
     
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    “Ambition and anxiety both gnaw at him constantly. He has no resiliency. And if things continue to break badly for him, I think the chances are against his being able to avoid a breakdown. When men of his temperament get to his age without ever having had real opposition, and then meet it in its most dramatic form, it’s quite dangerous.”
    Columnist Walter Lippmann writing Felix Frankfurter, then a law professor and later a Supreme Court justice, as Hoover floundered desperately during the early days of the Great Depression.

    Trump’s Breakdown

    Old traits — bluster, defiance, implacable self-promotion — that once worked well now threaten to sink a presidency.

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    Before Herbert Hoover earned a reputation as a tragic failure, he had a reputation for heroic success—
    a can-do businessman who arrived in the presidency with no previous elective experience. He was one of the most celebrated men of his times.
    Then times changed...


    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/04/01/trump-breakdown-threaten-sink-presidency-158321
     
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    Yup.

    Capt. Bone Spurs was really ahead of the curve.

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    Isn't America to lucky to have such a level-headed Captain at the helm:

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    Show me a democrat who was more right.
    My comment was about plans is general. Nothing specific to this crisis.
     
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    A Democrat doesn't occupy the Oval Office. Responses to dangerous viruses, regardless of their origin, is on the president, who is supposed to lead and coordinate the response. Epic fail on Trump's part.
     
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    Show me anyone, Democrat, Republican, or Independent, whose fake notions have had such disastrous consequences.

    Trump's cavalcade of lies, errant assumptions, and unwarranted, rosy scenarios pulled from his big, flabby arse:

    • January 22: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China."
    • January 24: "It will all work out well."
    • February 2: "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
    • February 19: "I think it's going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let's see what happens, but I think it's going to work out fine."
    • February 24: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA…Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
    • February 26: "Because of all we've done, the risk to the American people remains very low…When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That's a pretty good job we've done."
    • February 28: "It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear."
    • March 7: "It came out of China, and we heard about it. And made a good move: We closed it down; we stopped it. Otherwise — the head of CDC said last night that you would have thousands of more problems if we didn't shut it down very early. That was a very early shutdown, which is something we got right."
    • March 9: "So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!"
    • March 10: "It hit the world. And we're prepared, and we're doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
    • March 12: "It's going to go away. … The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you're seeing coming out of other countries, it's pretty amazing when you think of it."
    • March 23: "America will again and soon be open for business…Parts of our country are very lightly affected."
    • March 26: "They have to go back to work; our country has to go back. Our country is based on that, and I think it's going to happen pretty quickly.

    Fake Don's tragic failure to provide prompt, decisive leadership in the U.S. contrasts strikingly with South Korea.



    Trump was hornswoggled:


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    February 7, 2020
    Trump heaped praise on Chinese President Xi Jinping and predicted
    the communist leader will be successful in combating the coronavirus

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/7/donald-trump-lauds-chinese-leader-xi-jinping-amid-/

    April 1, 2020
    The Chinese government has deliberately underreported the total number of coronavirus cases
    and deaths in the country, the U.S. intelligence community told the White House.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/01/coronavirus-china-hid-extent-of-outbreak-us-intelligence-reportedly-says.html
     
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    There were democrats saying it was no problem after Trump limited international travel.
     
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    Where is the alleged lie?
     
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    Wrong, The D's were correct and this wasn't a hoax of theirs. Can you not see this? Amazing.

    15 cases did not go to ZERO, did it. Or are you not up on the amount of cases of viruses in the USA?
    We'd like to know.
     
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