President Trump's briefings concerning the coronavirus

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  1. Rugglestx

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    He should invite Joe to one.

    I miss Joe gaffes since he stop appearing on TV :(
     
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    It is definitely NOT my problem that neither you nor struth have sufficient Subject Matter Knowledge when it comes to time and language skills. However given that your criminal IMPOTUS suffers from the same knowledge shortcomings it is little wonder that you support him. Come November I will be just one of a significant MAJORITY who will all be casting our votes for whomever the Dems nominate to remove him from the Oval office.
     
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    I'd rather Trump spend his day tweeting lies about Mueller, Clinton, and impeachment, than lie about this pandemic in front of cameras. He needs to get out of that room go play golf, and let the experts handle it all. He's done enough already.
     
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    Let the experts handle it, because they have done such a swell job so far?

    One professor at Wharton did check, using data collected from a survey of epidemiological experts conducted two weeks ago and published at FiveThirtyEight. The question was asked on March 16-17: How many U.S. cases of COVID-19 will the CDC report on March 29?

    So, less than 2 weeks later:

    They UNDER-estimated by a factor of 6.

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    When the experts were asked a week later, on March 23-24, to once again forecast the number of cases as of March 29, they came much closer to the mark.

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    The consensus estimate was 117,000. In reality there were 139,000 known cases. They were still lowballing the spread — but by not nearly as much. All of which provides two useful lessons.

    One: At the very beginning of this outbreak, there are destined to be some bad misses on forecasts just because there’s so little data available yet. Even the pros can miss a projection just two weeks out by 80 percent due to the uncertainty about the extent of community spread within the U.S. and labs’ ability to scale up in testing as quickly as they did.

    Two: With each day that passes and more data that accrues, the forecasts will get better and will begin to coalesce. ​

    Although the past month has felt like a decade, the key takeaway from the forecasting miss above is just how early it is in this process. Even the pros are still fumbling in the dark.

    FiveThirtyEight’s timely explainer on why it’s so damned hard to produce a reliable model for COVID-19. The short version: We lack good data for even *one* of the many variables that would be needed to make forecasts. We don’t know the fatality rate, we don’t know the infection rate, we don’t even know how many people are dead of the virus so far. It’s tantamount to trying to solve the equation “x + y = z” where you don’t know what x, y, or z are.
     
  5. David Landbrecht

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    Looking at what the President said at the most recent announcement and comparing it to the last two months' events and statements doesn't reflect favorably on him.
     
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    In the meantime, when Pelosi wasn't running around trying to spread Progressive Globalitis through her district,
    Please visit Chinatown': coronavirus fears empty San Francisco district
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...an-francisco-coronavirus-fears-empty-district

    she was holding rallies in South Jersey to bring people together to share their respective diseases

    Nancy Pelosi and top N.J. Democrats rally South Jersey voters ahead of 2020 election
    by Pranshu Verma, Updated: February 29, 2020
    https://www.inquirer.com/news/nancy...orcross-rally-in-nj-cory-booker-20200229.html

    Nothing beats Louisiana's esteemed governor, John Bel Edwards, inviting people in his and neighboring states to New Orleans so that diseased Europeans could fly through NYC to spread their disease both in NY and at the Mardi Gras. His excuse for teeing up the disease in this country was that Trump said the US had the disease under control. Leave it to the geniuses of the Democrat Party.
     
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    Few Dems who can pass the buck faster than the Dem of NOLA. Saw that during Katrina.

    But come on see it from the left's view...

    If Trump had not won in 2016 then Nancy P would not have had to have rallies where C19 was spread to try and defeat him in 2020. So yeah it's Trumps fault for wining in 2016, not Nancy's....
     
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    Yawn do you just copy and paste your post, they're literally all the same.
     
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    But at least now at the end of March he seems to be taking the virus seriously. Maybe he has actually reverted to the state of childhood where he takes the adults in the room seriously.
     
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    What did you just say that differs from what I said?

    It is certainly true--as I previously noted--that the mortality rate for the coronavirus (a.k.a. covid-19) is 1.0 percent, as opposed to 0.1 percent for the seasonal flu.

    But that is just a difference of 0.9 tenths of one percentage point!

    Do you suppose that it would be wise--really?--to alter my lifestyle, significantly, for a difference of just 0.9 percentage points?
     
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    Well, perhaps you truly do not believe that you are a part of the "Resistance."

    But your characterization of President Trump as a "buffoon" certainly makes you seem to be in close approximation to that group...
     
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    Do you have any idea at all how dire things are right now in New York and New Jersey? No, you obviously don't because you don't want to know, you think it's all hype and blown out of proportion, don't you. Yes, there is fear, but nobody needs to 'ramp it up', it's real. Dead bodies are being lifted by a small cranes, one by one, into refrigerated tractor trailers because there's no room for the dead in morgues. Funerals are banned so people that are able to bury their dead family members are forced to have a grave side ceremony at the most. Doctors and nurses have a critical shortage of protective equipment so they're more at risk of getting the virus and putting more medical staff out of commission.

    Do not underestimate the horrors that are happening right this minute and every minute after this, and so on. It's an insult to all those people sick and dying in NY and to all the people that live in the tri-state area.

    One NY doctor was given a Yankee baseball rain poncho to wear in place of PPE

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    Well, not precisely.

    But our housekeeper says that she has been in close contact with someone who has tested positive for the coronavirus.

    Certainly, it is not the seasonal flu.

    But it is a strain of the flu virus--just as the Spanish flu, from about a century ago, also was.

    Of course, "evidence" is a weasel word here. (Just what sort of evidence, precisely? And is it universally accepted--or even widely accepted--within the American medical community?)

    Young people are much less likely to "barely notice"--or even not to notice, at all--than older people are.

    These people are called "carriers."
     
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    Not according to Hopkins: "COVID-19 and the flu can look similar, the two illnesses are caused by different viruses"

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...ronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

    Well, not necessarily.

    "Nearly 40% of patients who were hospitalized in the US were under 55 and 20% were between 20 and 44 – experts weigh the evidence"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/01/coronavirus-young-americans-covid-19

    You haven't learned yet to be careful about parroting Chinese propaganda?

    "Early reports out of China showed that elderly people and the chronically ill were most vulnerable to Covid-19. Yet an alarming number of young people in the United States have been hospitalized with severe infections. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, nearly 40% of American Covid-19 patients who were hospitalized were under 55 – and 20% were between ages 20 and 44. And in rare cases, even children have died after falling ill with Covid-19."

    Even China is now beginning to admit the painfully obvious:

    "A recent study out of Shenzhen, China, showed that young people are just as likely to get infected as older individuals. Now that we’re seeing more data on hospitalization rates, we’re seeing that yes, young adults are experiencing severe illnesses."
     
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    Well hell, if that's all it takes then most of the country is part of the "resistance".
     
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    It is difficult to place the blame for the demonstrated incompetence in government. Is it the parties that offer such poor choices? Is the the people who elect such poor choices? Is it the candidates themselves, their personalities? Whatever we identify as the reason, it is only objective to state that incompetence reigns.
     
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    The content of your post determines my response.

    If the content has any meaningful value my response will reflect that value

    If the content is vapid my response will call it out for being vacuous drivel.

    If you are seeing a pattern I suggest you begin by reviewing the content of your own posts.
     
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    So, you would consider 55 years of age (or even 44) to constitute youth?

    Okay.....

    [QUOTE="Zorro, post: 1071561480, member: 68680]"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, nearly 40% of American Covid-19 patients who were hospitalized were under 55 – and 20% were between ages 20 and 44. And in rare cases, even children have died after falling ill with Covid-19."[/QUOTE]

    If "20%" were between the ages of 20 and 44, that means that 80 percent were not.

    Moreover, I really do not know just what percentage of that "20%" were close to 20 years of age, and what percentage of that number were close to 44 years of age. (The latter hardly seems to me like youth.)
     
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    I really do not know just what you mean by "most of the country."

    But President Trump's poll numbers have recently moved upwards--they are now at 49 percent, according to the most recent poll that I have seen--and that is a new personal high for the man. (By the way, that does not mean that 51 percent oppose him. There are some undecideds in there, too.)
     
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    Q: Why is she trying to blame the federal government, and not her state government, city government, or hospital administration?
    A: Politics. She's a leftist and doesn't want to blame her state and local government for their failures because they are fellow leftists.
     
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    I guess you missed the memo when Governor Cuomo virtually begged and pleaded with the feds to step up do something to help because they knew that in 3 days they would be totally out of some of the PPE. Same thing happened in Washington and Michigan.
     
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    Why does Cuomo, governor of one of the largest and wealthiest states in the Union, think it's the job of the feds to provide PPE when he has failed to plan for his state's needs rather than his responsibility to procure it? Why do you think it?
     
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    It's a ****ing pandemic, a NATIONAL CRISIS for kerist sake!!
     
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    It's actually an international crisis, but you don't see us turning to the UN or WHO saying "why don't you provide us PPE? this is your fault" now do you?

    Cuomo owns the responsibility for his failures.
     
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    I hope the hell the governor of your state fulfills all the needs of your medical community when this virus affects your state. That's all I'll say.
     

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