Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

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  1. LafayetteBis

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    Yes, but be careful! Maybe you want to spend time waiting for your check-up in a room full of masked people? I don't.

    It would be far better that you are sure you have something that "wont go away". Because one of the first questions that you will have to answer is "How long have you been coughing and feeling sick?"

    Which very much determines the sequence of events to follow ...

    I live in a small house in the wilds of France. I meet no neighbors! Whyzzat?

    Because French TV is warning people to "be careful of meeting others publicly because that is how the virus spreads" Meaning "be polite" but stay as far away from others (except family with which you live) as humanly possible - and when in close-contact "wear a mask" ... !
     
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    PS: And how much you wanna bet that the rest of the world will, from now on, do what France is doing. The wait time for masks from China is abominably long - three weeks. So, France has built several factories that will make masks! The machinery necessary is not complex. One is up-and-running next week. ("Too late!" Some will say? Yes, but better late than never!)
     
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    Good morning, PFers,

    yesterday, I ended my day in Germany having recorded 854,189 COVID-19 cases.

    Here is how we begin today, Wednesday, April 1st, 2020:

    2020-04-001 COVID-19 BOD 002.png
    2020-04-001 COVID-19 BOD 001.png

    And by nation, down into the hundreds of cases:

    2020-04-001 COVID-19 BOD 003.png 2020-04-001 COVID-19 BOD 004.png 2020-04-001 COVID-19 BOD 005.png 2020-04-001 COVID-19 BOD 006.png

    No need for a big analysis. We all know what is going to happen in the next month. The press-conference at the White House in Washington, DC, last evening made that pretty clear.

    The curve is still exponential.

    -Stat
     
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    Feel free to provide proof for that outlandish statement.
     
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    Yeah, interesting how that is working out, nööööö
     
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    IF we had universal testing for the virus nationwide and could be certain that ONLY the healthy were in the workforce I would support your economic plan 100%.

    But we don't have anything remotely like that requirement which means that our ability to avert a cataclysm is going to depend upon the willingness of We the People to strictly abide by Stay at Home restrictions and our Congressional Representatives to provide the funding so that EVERYONE can afford to buy the food they need to survive.

    Unfortunately that scenario is as unrealistic as having universal testing available.

    I wish that it were otherwise for everyone's sake.
     
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    It is not just the supermarket. People who live in developments usually have clustered mailbox and garbage/recycling facilities. Did someone cough in the vicinity of the mailboxes in the last 72 hours? Did someone cough near the handles of the garbage/recycle facilities? Did the last person who pumped gas leave the virus on the handle or the credit card reader?

    The virus can live in surfaces which means that you need a new PPE every time you set outside your own front door and finding a supply of PPE's is going take a great deal more than luck.
     
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    I don't know if there have been such other cases elsewhere, but this is the first in Iran.

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-...ests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-iran/1786247
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    Newborn baby tests positive for coronavirus in Iran
     
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    You have to be a Yank who lives in Europe to understand the fundamental differences. That is, to see both sides of the same coin.

    Americans are Very Different because the country was at the forefront of the revolution against Monarchic Rule. (Along with the French, mind you, but the French flubbed the revolution - and Napoleon took control of the country.) Europeans have come to Social democracy the hard way. A terrible, terrible war had to be fought to bring down the inanity of "innate German superiority" spawned by the Nazis.

    Unlike the Yanks in the US, we yanks in Europe have seen the benefits of a National Healthcare Service and the fact that Post-secondary Education is around a 1000€ a year and not the average state-school cost of $14K in the US. So, our kids here in European schooling have an advantage over the same variety state-side (where the higher costs actually shut-out children seeking to better themselves).

    "Different strokes for different folks", I constantly read from the RabidRight in America. Except that if you are "comparatively insufficiently educated" in the US the lack of a post-graduate degree will affect your income and thus the lives of your family (as we exit the Industrial Age and enter the Information Age).

    So, it's yours to decide the fate awaiting you ...
     
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    Or you do like I do. Assume you and your clothes are contaminated and act accordingly when you get home. Disinfect everything you bring in the house including anything you buy as well as your phone, your keys, and anything you've touched in your pockets. Leave everything you can outside or in the trunk of the car for five days or more. Disrobe. Put your clothes in the washer and jump in the shower.
     
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    Agreed. It sucks, but the only path that we can see right now is to abide by the current restrictions. What I'd like to see is a government commitment that once the crisis is over, that government has not in fact assumed these powers and will restore the country's civil liberties. If I were POTUS, I'd expunge the records of those who were arrested for the gatherings. In normal times, nothing they did would be wrong.
     
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    Very often in my postings, I have referred to the time-interval between the doubling of numbers as a pretty reliable metric for gauging and also, predicting an exponential curve.

    I'm not the only one doing it. In fact, most math geeks are doing it.

    http://election.princeton.edu/2020/03/31/doubling-times/

    2020-04-001 COVID-19 write up on doubling.png
     
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    Do you have any evidence to back your claim there is no plan at the federal level to maintain food supply? I’ve never heard that claim made before. In my business there is substantial government intervention to ensure plenty of food exists and can be moved to processors.

    Here’s an overview of the other end of the spectrum—distribution to consumers.
    https://www.fns.usda.gov/disaster/pandemic
     
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    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...-aren-t-what-they-seem-to-be?detail=emaildkre

    I don't normally read the DailyKos(read: Never), but I clicked @Statistikhengst link, and one of the commenters on that site left this article, which is worth the read. To summarize, it may not be that there's this huge spread but that rather there were always these shadow COVID-19 cases that we simply didn't know about.

    And one of the big reasons for that, is that the testing criteria is still limited. Which is DUMB AF now. It doesn't matter whether someone traveled from Europe or Asia, it's no longer a meaningful barometer to "make sure the tests are going to the people who need it." Now, everyone needs it(see: My discussion with @Derideo_Te ). We need to approach the South Korean method, in order to truly get back on track.
     
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    AND YES AGAIN!

    It is key to saving lives. But the challenge is ENORMOUS in the US compared to, say, France or Italy or Europe as a whole. You are 350 million, and we here in Europe are more than twice that amount. Meaning what?

    Meaning that, like in the US, each state is responsible for the Infection-check that discovers COVD-19, but the means to do so are limited! Whyzzat? Because both Europe and the US were/are wholly unprepared for what has happened.

    Both are playing "catch-up" in a wholly deadly game - and we Yanks in the US much more than the Europeans. Here in each EU-country, we have National Health Service organization that "runs the entire business".

    Which is why "things get done" with a minimal of "organizing" in the EU,
    because the "Management Organization" is already there and has been there for quite some time. It's called the National Health Service in each EU-country and needs no "organization" to establish itself.

    Moreso, it's been "there" for some time and knows well how "things" get done. If Europe is unprepared for the Covad-19, it is not due to its Healthcare Infrastructure. It is because its politicians refused to believe early on that what had happened in 2002/4 with "SARS" in China could/would happen again with COVID-19
    and it would then extend itself to the world ... !
     
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    Isn't he a US Citizen who's living over in France? And I believe we have thousands of such citizens of the country around the world. I wish them safety just as I wish the safety for people here in the homeland. That and France is very much in the fight with the rest of us against this pandemic.
     
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    New to Google?

    President Trump blasted New York for leaving equipment untouched at a New Jersey warehouse.

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/trump...s-directly-to-hospitals-battling-coronavirus/

    Cuomo falsely claimed that the federal government for sending just 400 ventilators through the Federal Emergency Management Agency. “You want a pat on the back for sending 400 ventilators? You’re missing the magnitude of the problem,” the Democratic governor said.

    Trump then revealed that the federal government actually sent thousands of ventilators for New York to use, but that they were sitting in a warehouse in Edison, New Jersey. “They were in the warehouse, ready to go, and New York never took them,” Trump said.

    Cuomo finally admitted that the ventilators were still in storage because “the hospitals don’t need them yet … the hospitals have enough ventilators today.”
     
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    There is so much wrong with this AZ story. No details except those that support a certain narrative. The claim by the woman that they took a teaspoon of the product which would insinuate a powder or liquid, but I can’t find any product that fits the aquarium additive description that isn’t in tablet form. If this is what was taken by the couple why wouldn’t they say “we took “X” tablets”?

    Furthermore, there have been claims here in this thread they were Trump supporters with no evidence. Some evidence has been presented that they donated to Democratic candidates but I can’t find verification of that. However, if they were registered Republicans or attended Trump rallies etc. it would have been prominently featured in the initial reporting. This is pretty good confirmation they were not Trump supporters in any way. When media leaves information out of a story it’s often as significant as the information they include.

    To me the whole thing smacks of a J. Smollett type episode, possibly with outside coaching. Perhaps the coaching was just bait like the media reporting I’ve supplied that touts aquarium additive or it could have been more specifically tailored to this couple. It’s just too hinky and the reporting is too vague in some areas and too formulaic in others.

    All the speculation aside, if we just go by the facts of what Trump said vs. verified reporting in the media, the media is certainly the responsible party for giving people the idea the drug mentioned in Trump’s press conference was the equivalent to aquarium products. No question.
     
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    HIS HOTELS!

    None necessary. Donald Dork has already assured a definitive minimum death-sentence for about 1-to-2% of the US population whilst Uncle Sam gets-its-act-together over the next two-weeks.

    Beyond that 2/3% will likely be another 3% but not much more because "once a healthcare organization has the "knack of it", then and only then does it start saving lives.

    But not before then.

    I have said it before on this forum and I will say it again: Donald Dork's initial disregard for COVID-19 was due to his Hotels! He feared the loss of business - and could not give-a-damn about the loss of lives that procrastinating action would cause!

    How many times must that simple evidence be repeated to be understood ... ?
     
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    Muslims in India are accused by news channel of spitting on police and doctors. Not surprisingly they are accused of deliberately spreading coronavirus.
     
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    So, let's go back to that inital untruth, shall we.

    You wrote:

    Fact: Cuomo is hoarding nothing.

    Fact: Trump lied out his ass when he stated, live and on TV, that NY never took the ventilators.

    Of course the ventilators are still in storage (or were until yesterday) until the hospital stats say exactly where they should go. That's called being organized.

    Preparing for the worst before it happens is what real leaders do.

    Lying about stuff just to maintain a grudge is what shitty leaders (of any party) do.

    Next time you would be well advised to not spread disinformation, because your caustic words and half-baked statements that end up being untrue only reflect very, very poorly on you, not on me or other people who are actually interested in facts.

    In case you haven't noticed, people are dying. My recommendation: take your MAGA hat off for a while and act like a real human being for a change.
     
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    Given the worldwide nature of the pandemic my bet is that very few medical personnel will be travelling overseas to help.

    Firefighting is a bit different due to seasonality. It is very common for firefighters from Australia & the US/Canada to help each other out during their respective fire seasons. Also common for specialised equipment to move back and forth. This year a late season in the US & early one in Australia meant that US/Canadian personnel were here in smaller numbers & later than usual. Despite that they did a fine job, with three brave Americans losing their lives protecting Australians.

    I don't doubt nations would send people overseas if they felt they could, but no one will be confident enough to do it right now.
     
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    Sad. Truly sad.

    Apparently, some people in Bharat (India) have forgotten the words of one Mohandas Ghandi.
     
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    Perhaps volunteers may go?
     
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    Other than this lying, Cuomo's done a decent job once he realized he had a serious crisis on his hands. He falsely claimed that Trump only sent 400 ventilators, when actually Trump sent him thousands, Cuomo is hoarding them in warehouses.

    Pantsed by the President, Cuomo finally admitted to hoarding, but spun it as "preparedness". All hoarders make that claim.

    You asked a link and I gave it to you. It took all of about 3 seconds on google, apparently you are rather helpless.

    The Fake News Media also ran with Cuomo's lies and endless repeated them. Finally Trump had had enough exposed Cuomo's hoarding, and you'll notice that after Cuomo finally admitted the truth that he's not making his false claims that Trump only sent him 400 ventilators.

    Though daily baited by the Fake News Media, Gallup showed that Trump was 60% approval for his handling of the pandemic.

    What was the public’s assessment of how Trump’s antagonists in the media have performed in America’s great medical crisis?

    Of 10 institutions, with hospitals first, at 88% approval, the media came in dead last, the only institution whose disapproval, at 55%, exceeded the number of Americans with a favorable opinion of their performance.

    The media are paying a price in lost reputation with the nation they claim to represent by reassuming the role of “adversary press” in a social crisis where, whatever one’s view of Donald Trump, the country wants the president to succeed.

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    Trump has been communicating daily in the role of commander in chief. He speaks from the podium in the White House briefing room or the Rose Garden just outside the Oval Office, invariably flanked by respected leaders in medicine, science, business and economics. They are Trump allies, his field commanders in the war on the virus.

    We all need to pull together and break the back of this virus in April. Partisan carping won't save a single life.
     
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