NYC is breaking down !!! Crime surge

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    It is impossible to legally avoid the background checks required by federal law.
    As such, there is no loophole; any claims to that effect are based on ignorance and/or dishonesty.
     
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    You know your statement is not true, as you know you did no such thing.
    I asked:
    How does this mean those who did not previously choose to own a gun, but now, in the face of a national crisis, seek to do so will have access to them?
    How is it necessary to deny these people access to the means to exercise their right to keep and bear arms?


    Please cite the post where you responded, and copy/paste the text of your response

    I asked you to:
    Factually demonstrate that keeping gun stores open in any way meaningfully contributes to the spread of the virus.

    Please cite the post where you responded, and copy/paste the text of your response

    I asked you to :
    - Quote the data.
    - Explain how it demonstrates the necessity and efficacy you claim.


    Please cite the post where you responded, and copy/paste the text of your response


    Else, your entire response to the challenge put to you is a laughable "here, read this".
     
  3. Jacob E Mack

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    All cited and answered. I'm not going to copy and paste so you can cherry pick.
     
  4. Jacob E Mack

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    Incorrect. Already cited.
     
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    You know your statement is false, as you know you cannot present any such thing.
    When you think you can demonstrate the necessity for, and efficacy of, closing gun stores in face of a national emergency, let us know.
     
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    Your statement, above, stems from ignorance and/or dishonesty.
    When you think you can demonstrate how someone can legally avoid the background checks mandated by federal law, let us know.
     
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    What the so-called "articles" cited on the part of yourself refer to as being a loophole is not a loophole at all. When the law was drafted, the requirement for background checks applied exclusively to federally licensed firearm dealers, who are engaged in the transaction of firearms as their primary source of employment. It was never intended to apply to private citizens disposing of their own private property, as it was understood at the time such a requirement could never be enforced. Even today such a requirement cannot be enforced, as there is simply no way of preventing a private individual from disposing of their personally owned property in whatever manner they see fit.
     
  8. Jacob E Mack

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    Wrong. No law can prevent all crime or diligent lawbreakers but the enforcement of closing such loopholes would save many lives.
     
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    Your statement, above, stems from ignorance and/or dishonesty.
    When you think you can demonstrate how someone can legally avoid the background checks mandated by federal law, let us know.
     
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    How exactly is it a so-called "loophole" in need of closing? Explain such. Explain how it is an exploitation of the law, rather than how the law was actually intended.
     
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    This unproven and patently false. It "might" save a few lives annually. And it might cost a few lives annually.
    It is however a Utopian dream of gun grabbers and hence they hug this misinformation vigorously.

    Try to remember....LAWS are for the ALREADY LAW ABIDING
     
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    There is no such thing as a background check loophole.
     
  13. Jacob E Mack

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    That has been disproven.
     
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    How? Because criminal individuals are still able to physically acquire firearms, despite such being a felony offense?
     
  15. Jacob E Mack

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    Gun show loopholes, online dealers, various non-federal mandated vendors who were supposed to be required to also demand a background check. The only exception is hunting firearms passed down within a family and even there if they decide to sell.a firearm they need to follow background check procedures.
     
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    Your statement, above, stems from ignorance and/or dishonesty.
    When you think you can demonstrate how someone can legally avoid the background checks mandated by federal law, let us know.
     
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    ... that don't exist....
    ... that can only transfer guns thru an FFL, who must run a background check....
    The word salad, above, has no discernible meaning.
    None of which is enforceable and none of which will be followed by criminals.

    So... ya got nothin'.
     
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    I'm interested in saving lives and having universal background checks as a part of a way to do that which is shown to be significantly effective. Your tone has changed so I'm out
     
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    You cannot soundly demonstrate this to be true.
    If I were you, I'd run, too.
     
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    The dishonesty with which you continue to parrot the Trumpsters line that the gun show loophole does not exist , despite cited evidence to the contrary, is the true ignorance and dishonesty in all of your posts.

    The fact that gun shops remain open despite being declared nonessential is typical of Trumpster disregard for laws they don’t agree with.

    I don’t blame a soul for not wanting to engage in discourse with you. You are a lost cause, to be briefly pitied and then ignored.

    Ignoring commencing now.
     
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    No, it absolutely has not. You shouldn’t spout false knowledge.
     
  22. Jacob E Mack

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    You have zero evidence or logic to back your claim. Your claim is dangerous.
     
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    New York has released tens of thousands of violent thugs
    You will find some in your filthy community
     
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    Won't the same "citizens already owning firearms and ammunition" still own them AFTER the crisis?
     
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    Yup
     

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