Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Those that are self employed or informal sector workers cannot file for UI benefits so the odds are that 10% figure is on the LOW side, unfortunately.
     
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    True dat.
     
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    Sorry for the OT, but yes. I was surprised by the number too, I knew that the Kampfmittelräumdienst (bomb disposal team) had daily operations but the extent of the operations is quite astonishing.
     
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    Thank you so much for that. Because for the little I ever read about it, my 1-5 per year estimate was based anectotally, not statistically. I am shocked to learn that it is really happening this much still to this day.
     
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    I am feeling that this Schrödinger's cat may disappear at any given moment....
     
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    Jesus ****ing christ.
     
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    On a more positive note:

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    Very interesting discussion on Laura yesterday. Those treated with hydroxychloroquine did not require ventilators.

    https://www.foxnews.com/shows/ingraham-angle
     
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    We'll take all the good news we can get!
     
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    Yes, the work of Dr. Smith corroborates the French testing and shows further evidence of the benefits of chloroquine and the co-morbidity involved in the COVID infection severity.

    I'm having trouble embedding the videos but if you have time take a look at the 4/1 episode of the Ingraham Angle.
     
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    The idea that the efficacy of any medical treatment, either way, should be debated on a message board while there are tests underway to establish how effective any such treatment might (or might not be), simply underscores how badly politicized everything in the US has become. Just because Trump decided to jump the gun on this issue, and promote this treatment, before real testing had even begun, neither makes hydroxychloroquine (alone or in combination with other treatments) worthless or worthwhile. The answer to that will come from the medical studies underway and once there is enough data and results to warrant a verdict on the issue, the verdict will be announced.

    In the meantime, I would hope we could keep this particular thread as separated from political polemics as possible. There are enough threads to make political points and it really isn't necessary for every thread to replicate the ones that are already around in this forum for that purpose.
     
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    You have to consider humidity with the heat.
    Tests on paper have show, that virus has a short live span on it, because paper will suck the moisture out of it.
    In the US South the heat will come with 80% humidity. In the Southwest the heat will come with 10 to 15% humidity.
    To give an example what 10 to 15 % humidity means, you can wash your close and hang them on a line 60F outside and with in under 1 hour they are completely dry, 80F around 30 minutes.
    Surfaces exposed to the sun will reach up to 150 degrees
     
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    Data from testing by infectious disease doctors treating Corona virus patients in real time is being presented. Hydroxychloroquine et al is being used as we speak and information on hydroxychloroquine et al has saved lives.
     
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    Testing for any drug will go through stages and we are not at a stage to try to conclude much (beyond the initial results being hopeful enough to warrant continuing studies) at this time. But because of what I mentioned, namely the fact that the issue has become politicized (on both sides), we are now in a situation where the scientific data will become subject to the kind of spin and propaganda that we see in everything else that becomes overtly politicized.
     
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    That data is being generated now and lives are being saved in the process. There is nothing political in that.
     
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    BINGO. SPOT-ON!
     
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    The testing was going on with positive results before Trump expressed optimism on the efficacy. That has saved lives and is saving lives.

    You actually believe that hydroxychloroquine should be prohibited from being used for months ???
     
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    I will give the Darwin Award in Gold with Diamonds to the daily press briefing bu
    y the President and Vice President. Standing on a crowed platform with 6 or 7 people, shoulder to shoulder.

    What a great way to make Nancy President.

    groeoeoeoeoeoeoeoeoeoehl
     
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    And then when the person with COPD, the cancer survivor who lost a lung, and the 72 year old grandmother die from the infection people are sharing because they don't like being told what to do, those folks can get together again and enjoy the extra cookies on the plate. Thank you for sharing.

    I saw something about how viruses can spread if they are aersolized. While hasn't been shown that Covid-19 can become aerosolized, other types of flu can float in the air for some time after a person coughs or sneezes. If you walk into a room a few minutes after that, it can still be in the air you're breathing. The point being that the virus may not be just pulled by gravity, but might float in the air for a short time--almost like water vapor.
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-can-become-aerosol-doesnt-mean-doomed/

    Exactly. In the end, not one of us is a specialist in this (if we are, we should be working and not posting :) ). We know what we know from media sources, and they tend to sensationalize everything for the sake of more clicks. And yes, it is embarrassing to see how we seem to politicize every aspect of life. Is that a virus too?
    Hope all is well with you and your family.


    Edit--I seriously favor doing things the right way, and believe that testing drugs is a no-brainer. At the same time, we should remember that the Salk vaccine for polio was not well tested before being widely used. The specialists of that era loudly protested the vaccine because, in their opinion, it needed more time for more testing.
     
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    No, everything should be tried. But at the present we have only anecdotal data.
    A Japanese flew medication might work, anecdotal data only, again.
     
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    So, apparently, each state in the US is using different criteria to report their numbers. That's just super.

    [​IMG]
     
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    The FDA is apolitical. They approved off-label use of hydroxychloroquine and we are conducting trials, many in New York City.

    Hoping that the trials of any drug or vaccine are successful should be bipartisan. If hydroxychloroquine helps people and reduces the need for ventilators and hospital beds, then we should all cheer about that.
     
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    Thanks. All is well so far. And hope the same for you and your family, including your grandson who you mentioned had come down with cold like symptoms.
     
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