Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

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  1. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    So, if any of you out there are firefighters or who have friends who are, this posting may interest you.

    My best bro in the world is a firefighter. Through watching what he does, I have gained a world of respect for what firefighters do, all the things they can do and how unbelievably well-trained they must be to do it.

    In Germany, a fire-station is usually divided into 2 crews:

    1.) one crew is responsible for "Brandschutzdienst" or "Brandbekämpfung" -the actual firefighting shift. They are the ones who go to put out a fire, rescue people from buildings. Their shifts are usually 24 hours.

    2.) the other crew is responsible for "Rettungsdienst" (Rescue-Services). Those in the crew are the EMTs for the day, essentially. They take care of the calls that come in over the German equivalent of 9-11 for anything that is not firefighting (injuries, drug overdoses, grandma has fallen down and isn't breathing anymore, etc). EMT training requires the ability to apply life-saving and re-animation techniques that go way beyond 1st-Aid. Their shifts are usually 12 hours.

    All German firefighters are trained to be able to do both.

    So, of course, the two crews have different PPE that they wear. And the EMTs are far more likely to come in contact with COVID-19 infections.

    As of last week, at many German firehouses, the two crews are being physically separated from each other. Bunks on different floors. No common showers. Two different dining rooms. Split-times at that gym in the basement, etc. It's as if they are running two fire-houses out of one, of course, to keep the one crew from potentially infecting the other.

    In almost every German fire-station, the workers get their temps checked before and after their shift, masks are being worn DURING the shift in the firehouse, etc, etc, etc.

    It's not only police-officers (G-d bless the police, they are among my heros out there) who are a very high-risk group for COVID-19; it's also firefighters. They too are putting their lives on the line in so many ways because of the COVID-19 pandemic. Most are pretty young and have families.

    So, if you are the praying or meditating type, I ask of you to also keep the firefighters/EMTs of the world in your thoughts.

    And I have learned that firefighters are a brotherhood almost like no other. You would be amazed at how many German firefighters have "911" tattoed to their arms, how many stand at attention every September 11th and shed a quiet tear for us in the USA. They haven't forgotten their fallen brothers and sisters.

    -Stat
     
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    Travelers are causing a significant problem and people who travel for pleasure obviously are those with disposable income. And yes there is an entitlement which is very selfish to pursue pleasure, not only because you "can", but also because really the odds are that most people are not going to die from this. Some people cannot restrain their own pleasure-seeking for the greater good.

    This week my city had a group of 70 college kids who chartered a plane to Cabo San Lucas for spring break, then took several planes to return. 28 of them tested positive upon arrival in Austin, and I'd expect a few more of them will test positive while they are under state quarantine or 14 days. But, I sure hope they had fun in Mexico!
     
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    Firstly thanks for what you are doing and the information on Taiwan.

    There is nothing deceptive about knowledge. It helps with identifying which people are most susceptible. The Italians are reclassifying these deaths based on the most serious underlying conditions.
     
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    If the US Government wants to deter this sort of thing just quarantine them with other unwanted arrivals from Mexico. It won't seem quite as attractive to the next planeload.

    Mexico should have shut down that sort of travel from the US weeks ago. mexico has enough problems without risking further disease spread.
     
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    Yes, a prophylaxis to protect the vulnerable, those with kidney, liver, lung, blood sugar diseases, would be very helpful in reducing deaths. That prophylactic "answer" is being researched and I hope trials go well. Anything to reduce the number of deaths is a good thing.
     
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    That gets 5,000,0000 votes from me.
     
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    684 people have died in the UK today from COVID-19 - thus far.
     
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    Attention all Common Flu/Covid19 Analogists

    Apples to Apples Comparison

    1. Had we done nothing/Let it ride Covid19 ESTIMATED Number of death

    VERSUS

    2. Had we done nothing/Let it ride Common Flu ESTIMATED Number of death

    Please analyze the following sources;

    a. Common flu; Number of death
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

    b. Common flu; Death averted by vaccination
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/past-burden-averted-est.html

    and then, answer the following question;

    What's your conclusion?

    Here's mine;

    Common Flu, season 2013-2014; Number of death; 51,000
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

    Season 2013-2014, Death averted by vaccination; 12,000
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/past-burden-averted-est.html

    Covid19 Had we done noting/Let it ride estimated death; TWO million +

    Agree or disagree?
     
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    Dallas has the highest population of Chinese-American residents of any city in Texas. The January travel to and from China produced the seeds of the outbreak.

    A couple months ago, I read that 3 million people travelled to and left the Wuhan area in January before China shut down the city. Most lived in and went home to other areas of Asia. Some to Europe; some to the U.S.

    Yesterday, on one of the state press briefings I heard, for the first time, the number of U.S. Chinese vacationers who went to China and back to the U.S. in January. 500,000. If 10% (to 35%) off exposed people get infected, then that is a minimum of 50,000 "seeds". New York has the densest Chinese-American community outside of Asia. But significant numbers live along the west coast (Seattle, L.A., San Francisco) and many other large U.S. cities (including Dallas).

    Chinese-American immigrants, as a group, tend to be financially comfortable, as the culture places a very high value on education and work ethic. The are "high value" migrants to the U.S. and Europe when seeking raw brain power for science and technology fields.
     
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    I'm sorry to hear about your mom. I'm quite familiar with the disease. It runs on my father's side of the family. My grandmother had 4 sisters and no brothers. All of them developed Alzheimer's and so did my great grandmother (although we called it "senility" before it had a name). I was hoping that it impacted the women in the family (since my grandfather and great-grandfather did not develop it), but my father is in a nursing home and has deteriorated over the last 7-8 years. He doesn't know who I am. :(
     
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    Disclaimer: The following is intended to be factual and apolitical. I will be equally critical of any and ALL governors who are doing something this moronic in the middle of this Pandemic.


    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/flor...stay-at-home-order_n_5e860834c5b60bbd7350d1fc

    This prompted me to do some research into what happened in France because it is one of the worst Hotspots in the EU.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...set-a-virus-time-bomb-in-france-idUSKBN21H0Q2

    So there just 12 cases in all of France on February 12th when the week long gathering began that was attended by 2500 people from all over the world!

    Florida already has 7000 cases so the odds of of there being someone infected attending a religious service are pretty much a given which makes the decision to consider them to be "essential services" questionable at best. We already KNOW about Mardi Gras and Spring Break so what makes him believe that a religious gathering is going to be "exempt"? Does everyone on the choir stand 6' apart from each other? Does everyone coming through the door take turns to stay 6' from everyone else?

    The DATA as to what CAUSE the virus to SPREAD is irrefutable. ANY gathering of any kind contains a RISK. The virus doesn't give a crap about "essential services" either.

    This just makes no sense whatsoever!
     
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    MAJOR fail by the governor, it will cause loss of life and extra stress on an already stressed medical system. Just a stupid, stupid decision - especially given what we know at this time.
     
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    Italy is still reporting all deaths of people with Covid in the count. The prime minister is making the excuse that they should not be counting them.
     
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    I commented on Desanto, but just a few hours later, he rescinded his rule, so the local towns & counties can make their own rules about places of worship.
     
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    My governor issued an executive order that travelers from other countries (and many U.S. states) will be quarantined by the state for 14 days, no ifs ands or buts. I can imagine college kids thinking that the trip will be so much fun that being "grounded" for 14 days is worth it. :rolleyes:
     
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    It makes no sense to allow local towns and counties to do it either. Gatherings of ALL kinds are now High Risk and should be stopped.
     
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    So, the national model has not been updated since April 1st and won't be until April 4th.

    I have a bad feeling about the next update. Dr. Birx said that Americans are not doing enough to lower the curve. She also said that out of 1.3 million tests which have be analyzed, only 50% of those results have been reported so far (660,000). That's a double right there.

    They are incorporating new data into the model.

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    That’s hard. One of the most poignant moments was me “teaching” my Mom how to write a check and recalling that decades earlier she had done the same for me.
     
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    We're going to be less of a global society. We will close our borders to people that have visited some countries, or we might quarantine people for two weeks. Will we have an effective treatment? A vaccine?
    The world doesn't have the means to follow the Korean model, so we must be prepared to help them blunt the impact of the virus and stop people from hot spots, including our own citizens, from entering our country without undergoing a mandatory, supervised two-week quarantine.
     
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    A vaccine is a near certainty. The problem is that we probably cannot develop, test and pass one for use until the middle of 2021. I definitely see global travel restrictions happening until then, unless we get a cheap and accurate antibody test...which is likely to happen before a vaccine is ready.
     
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    This logic makes zero sense to me.

    If you have an underlying condition that is not going to cause death within two weeks and then you get the virus and die within two weeks, then you blame the virus.
     
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    I think we will see the first vaccine trials in a month or so, normally research is done on a budget.
    This time money does not matter.
    Munich, one of the hardest hit cities in Germany will become the test center for antibody tests/study

    We should never loose our humor

    A Venezuelan military patrol boat tried to prevent a German cruise ship to continue its voyage to a planed maintenance stop, no passengers on board, only 20 crew members. The ship was in international waters.
    The patrol boat fired warning shots and than rammed the cruise ship.
    Slight mistake, because the cruise normaly operates in the artic and its hull is built to withstand small icebergs.
    The patrol boat sank.
    Darwin Award.
     

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