Navy expected to relieve captain who raised alarm about COVID-19 outbreak on aircraft carrier

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  1. EMTdaniel86

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    Hell be asked to retire rather then face charges. His career in the navy is over anyhow
     
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  3. Andrew Jackson

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    This action PROVES that Trump hates the Military.

    EXPECTED from a Draft Dodger (like Trump)..

    Anyway, I hope this Captain's side of the story gets out.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Poor bloke.
     
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    Yes as I noted in another post the Navy JAG might take relieving of command and forced retirement as enough and to avoid a PR situation as evidenced here and what I am already seeing in the media where the average citizen does not understand the seriousness of what he did and the breech of national security.
     
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    It wasn't carelessness I was purposeful. But the Navy may see that with an uniformed public the PR cost may not be worth it and relieve and forced retirement will suffice.
     
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    His "side of the story" is out. Why don't you try and cover it truthfully?




    I so amuse myself! icon_lmao.gif


    He was relieved because he broke protocol by sending the letter thru unsecured channels. Nothing more to it than that.
     
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    So?

    The FACT That...

    ...A TREASONOUS Draft-Dodger (Who HATES AMERICA and The Military) is POTUS...

    ...Had Nothing to do with it?

    Got it.:smh: :salute:

    Let me go on Record to Say:

    I Support Our Proud Naval Heroes.

    I DON'T Support a TREASONOUS (Disgrace to America) Draft Dodger (like Trump)

    [​IMG]:flagus:
     
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    Diversion noted.
     
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    It isn't so much with national security, as more of an embarrassing moment for the navy. And that they can't have. You have to understand that the Navy's cultures is to protect the Navy at all costs, if that means the CNO has to go in to protect the Navy so be it. That is kind of what you're seeing. A realty good shinning example of this was when the Iowa turret explosion happened. Right away it was this sailor who was gay wanted to commit suicide because of a fight with is gay partner. No mention of the power bags that were from "45 and were improperly stored for 40 years. If when that was brought up, the navy hum and hawed.
     
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    Dood, barry the clown has been gone for 3 years now. Geez. :roll:
     
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    "barry"? Who?:bored:

    TREASONOUS DRAFT DODGER = TRUMP.:salute:

    Anyway, back to the Actual OP Topic:

    I still feel like this Naval Hero is getting a Raw Deal.

    Why does Trump always feel the need to crap on the Military?
     
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    I felt the same way when obozo the clown gutted the military and laid off thousands career officers ... while he was forcing them to fight his bloody immoral war yet we never heard from you. So, I take your protestations with a grain of salt. :)

    BTW, there's no evidence that President Trump evaded the draft; HOWEVER, if you wanna discuss real draft dodging by presidents we can discuss slick willy clinton.
     
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    Not everything is about Trump...I know folks like to politicize everything because that's how we are nowadays...

    The Navy is the backbone of US military power and global response and strike capabilities. Our Carrier Strike Groups are arguably the most important aspect of Americas ability to strike quickly and deliberately around the world. Knowing that, it's not good to let it be known to the media that one of our Carriers is in a diminished state. As a military Officer you do not announce to the world that your premiere Naval weapon is operating at less than peak capacity, that does pose a problem in regards to national security. If the Wing Commander of Eglin AFB in Florida whose job is scrambling fighters to protect the ADIZ on our Gulf Coast openly announced that the fighters were currently crippled and/or the pilots were sick and unavailable then he would be in deep trouble also. You don't say those sorts of things out loud.

    And if we seriously want to politicize this as Trump hating on the military then that's an argument you will lose definitively. Whether citing this specific example or taking a broad overall perspective of the military under Trump vs prior President's, mainly the previous one, it's no contest whatsoever which President is better for the military. There aren't too many Obama fans in the military...At least not in the combat parts of the military.
     
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    I understand military culture and I also understand national security and the fact that we have enemies who would love to use the global health emergency to their advantage over us.
     
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    Prove this was a Trump decision.
     
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    Commander-in-Chief.

    Buck STOPS with Him. Period.
     
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    Prove it was HIS decision. Oh you can't. That was a CincPac decision.
     
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    Yeah, probably.
     
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    Yup.

    Trump will make sure that it gets swept under the rug, and that it won't come back on Trump.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Alright if we are going to use this ideology then it must be universal across the board.

    During the years of President Obama the Rules of Engagement changed dramatically in both Iraq and Afghanistan forcing US Forces to fight in a matter commonly referred to as "with one hand tied behind their back".

    Hundreds of US lives were lost and thousands were wounded during this time frame many of which the direct result of a narrower criteria as to when and how you could defend yourself.

    So President Trump is at fault for a Navy Captain losing his Command on an aircraft carrier. President Obama is at fault for killing hundreds of US troops and wounding thousands more.

    Yes? Commander and Chief, the buck stops with him. As a military war veteran I would much rather be fired from my job by my Commander in Chief than killed by my Commander in Chief.
     
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    You can get the information that the carrier had Covid 19 infections online since March 23. It doesn't change the fact that loose lips sink ships.
     
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    A ship with healthy twenty somethings and a few individuals in their thirties maybe two old farts over forty.

    Do the math.

    Further, a viral outbreak aboard US Navy vessels isn't novel. This path is well worn and procedures are specified in detail on dealing with same.

    The good Capt walked himself right off the plank with this one. Was it fear or politics? Either way his action belies a character flaw and isn't fit for command.
     
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    F' him. Weakness in command gets men killed. I'm thinking the culture on that ship was toxic.
     
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    A ship isn’t the best place to quarantine people, be they young and fit or old and unfit. Cruise ships have proven that.
    A quarter of the crew (1,000) was removed from the ship the day after the letter was published. I bet the rest of the crew is grateful for that.
     

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