COVID-19 Proves It: We Need Medicare-for-All

Prove it.

 

To be accurate,, they come for some treatments, not healthcare . Big difference.
The health insurance system is better there . Now here is the whole story.
I live near Canada. It’s a rural country that’s 3000 miles long and literally less then 100 miles deep population wise given the population centers. They are sometimes forced to get treatments at the nearest location to stay near family or convenience and specialties which is often across the border. Its in the thousands......Yet, 1.4 million Americans travel went to Canada and other countries for prescription drugs and HC too each year. What’s your point ?They still don’t want our HC insurance system. It sucks compared to the rest if the free world.

 

This post is exactly what so many here seem to eschew and even dislike; cogent, clear and accurate.
Refreshing.

 

Btw, it’s the same here in NE where you have to wait for months for a cancer treatment you can get in Days in Boston. Guess what ? It’s much easier too for the elderly on Medicare to travel with health insurance,

 

In the U.S., I have the finest medical care in the world available to me. With my group insurance at work, I pay about $250 per month to cover my whole family. For just a little bit more, I get dental and vision coverage.

I never have to wait; I can see a specialist any time I want - without a delay. I can get an MRI or CT scan within hours ... not days or weeks.

It could not get any better.

 

That's good. I am sure we are all glad to hear you are so well off.
People are just as well off in France.

 

That’s good to hear.

 

You are not typical.

The other side of the coin FOR ALL OF SOCIETY is that one of the largest causes of personal bankruptcy in this country is medical debt. You are fortunate indeed that you need not worry about that.

Many people in this country have no medical insurance. Their "medical care" is delivered by the Emergency Room in critical events at the nearest hospital, and any medical professional will tell you that receiving care by way of random ER visits is NOT really comprehensive healthcare.

 

Medicare for all will be the end of Medicare.
Canada moves more towards private healthcare every year.
Canada is not a panacea of low drug cost and low prices are available here in the US.

"Rowan Burdge was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes just over a decade ago, when she was 21 years old. Since then, she estimates that she’s spent over $100,000 on prescriptions, co-pay, deductibles, and premiums to manage a complicated, chronic illness.

This is a familiar problem in the United States, with its deeply unequal, exorbitantly expensive health care system. But Burdge doesn’t live in the United States. She lives in Canada.....

.....One in five people living in Canada have either inadequate coverage for their health needs, or no coverage at all. Households with coverage still pay an average of CAD 1,000 annually (about $755) in out-of-pocket costs, including premiums and prescription co-pays, and differences across the various public drug plans run by each Canadian province and territory mean that the price someone pays for a drug in one place might be a lot more than they’d pay in another.

......A report from the Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions found that financial barriers to prescription medicine cause hundreds of premature deaths each year in people aged 55 to 64, to say nothing of other age groups. For one in 10 Canadians—about 3.5 million people—the cost of medicine makes it hard to fill prescriptions, which in 2017 led 1.6 million Canadians to either skip doses or forgo filling a prescription, most often for mental health medication.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/canada-pharmacare-single-payer/

I have 7 prescriptions. I pay $4 - $12 for 90 supplies one $32. How much cheaper is Canada? Should I be up in arm? Should I be traveling Canada?

 

And, your employer is paying for it too, you can’t leave your work and you’d better hope your business doesn’t go under. Best of luck. The vast majority of workers changed jobs and locations.
The days of employer based healthcare are numbered.
https://oneill.law.georgetown.edu/employer-based-health-care-cons-pros/

 

There is no research anywhere that says health care costs are cheaper in the United States in the industrialized world. NOWHERE. Worse yet, many are uninsured still and the difference in cost is increasing.

 

Thus making it the exact same this as healthcare provided and paid for by the government itself. It is only viable so long as the government can actually pay the costs.

 

10% have no medical coverage, which isn’t the same as not having medical care. Everyone has medical care.

Well over 80% of the people who get their coverage through their employer are happy with it. Let’s not destroy that.

 

Medical care ? Look up the definition of “medical care and health care” It’s not the same as emergency care. I see you’ve changed your labeling and are still incorrect. Emergency rooms only provide emergency care. They don’t maintain health beyond this goal nor prevent illness. All they do is one part...treat emergency level illness and injury.


Medical care..
“medical care. the provision by a physician of services related to the maintenance of health, prevention of illness, and treatment of illness or injury. “

 

Why wouldn't they have medical insurance, Obama care let's everyone on regardless of preexisting conditions. The dems designed it, if you work your employer is required to provide it if you're full time?

 

Since Trump took over and started defunding and removing requirements, it’s no longer Obamacare. It’s Trump care and all it’s fkups are in his doorstep. It’s up to states now to determine preexisting conditions, not Obamacare.

 

The argument that we shouldn't do it because other countries have had problems with getting their healthcare systems right underestimates America's inventiveness. I am certain we could do at least as well as other largely successful efforts, and probably better.

 

Don’t be uniformed, again. . Employers are opting into for profit healthcare coverage, and the government is not. Not only doesn’t the government have to pay profits, but their overhead is 1/6 that of private insurance . You’re not making any sense.
Healthcare provers don't change like they don’t in every other free country in the world.

 

LOL the only thing Trump to away was the penalty if you choose not to sign up for Obamacare. So tell me again why isn't every American on Obamacare?

 

But you said people can’t get medical “CARE”
Your words. They absolutely can get care. And if they have any money they can go to walk-n clinics. Sorry but I don’t know what you’re talking about regarding factions. The Right always praises our hospitals and doctors. I truly don’t know WTF you’re talking about. Leftists always blast our medical system as terrible. Look at you in this thread. Check your meds man.

 

Sounds like a struggle to make yourself relevant.
Do you know what medical care is ? medical care look it up.
Neglected homeless, elderly and poor suffer and die by the tens of thousands in cities and towns every year.

Even those going to emergency and walk in care , do not get treatment for cancer, diabetes and heart disease without insurance.
walk-in care does not do full medical care.

 

Caring is cheaper than repairing. Accessible healthcare, especially for the young, makes treatment in later years much less necessary and expensive. That is an objective fact. We pay for healthcare in one way or another, it is simply that a way exists that is much more humane, much more accessible, much more common and much less expensive. The only losers would be those who have bet upon profiting from disease and distress.

 

We're already a hair's breath away from national public healthcare and when the healthcare insurers go belly up (yes that's going to happen soon enough)...there will be no other choice

 

My belief is that a socialized medical system is better suited for pandemics, mainly because it's centralized by design.
For more quality or high availability for specialized medicine, the private medical system is more suited. It's filling the market niche, at least in Europe and not competing against the central system.
The central system would raise the bar periodically for quality or availability to advanced medicine by various means like unions or by legislation from civil feedback.

I would not ditch having access to both systems as their usage is different.

My life would be different without those regular checkups at the family doctor and dental care as a youngster for 'free'. Anything else was not needed, thankfully.
I remember having to check periodically by law my health until 18 if not mistaken and I know my health is better because of it.

Now I go to a private clinic for checkups and use private clinics of treatment and recovery because I have to travel and queue to access it for 'free'. But I could get it if I wish, and that thought alone is worth paying the mandatory taxes. It's just like paying the state to serve any interest of mine, whether protection or in this case healthcare.

The cultural difference I think lies in the people's attitude if the state's job to provide certain services. I think that healthcare is a basic need, just like protection, justice or education.

I got one-time healthcare totally 'free'.

I have dual citizenship and happened to need healthcare in the country I didn't live for years and not contributed directly, so not insured.
I was willing to pay obviously and did not know any recent legislation, but in the emergency room, I didn't need to provide my healthcare card, just the ID. I got a free health check and medication, xray scan, ambulance trip to the neurology check because it was not available at that hospital. Return back with an ambulance, diagnosis, prescription, and further medical investigation advice and letters. I only paid the drugs, some 5 euros. Further treatment would require often queuing and paying(less than in the private sector) if not insured in certain circumstances.

I got advanced treatment at the private clinic. The taxes on that business go back into the state, as well as any taxes on my economical activity in that country even though I am not insured, I am a citizen.

Harmony to me.

I cant imagine a place where I would stress getting healthcare, no matter the financial situation.

I would also have lower quality housing for the homelessness issue, also a basic need, we can blend state housing with capitalism as well, as displayed in some parts of Europe(easier for Finland).
Ghettoes will eventually disappear with education, protection, justice, healthcare, and other basic needs.

 

Everyone regardless of insurance, now gets free treatments for Coronavirus. Even science gets that keeping everyone healthy around you helps keep “ you” healthy and the economy stronger.