Why doesn't socialism work?

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    None of them are socialist. They are just like us with slightly different spending priorities and more government control of health care.
     
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    What is one of the main differences in the demographics of the populations. And we Americans are more self sufficient and self determining and more free to choose than countries where the populations are more willing to trust their futures to the whims of government bureaucrats.
     
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    In the United States? Prove it.
     
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    I think Churchill knew more about socialism and communism than you EVER will. Why has the US economy led the world for decades? What does English speaking have to do with anything. You want socialism go to Venezuela or Cuba. Try North Korea for the darkest socialism. Convince me Russia and Ukraine were better under their socialism. How about Georgia now under capitalism, better or worse? Why are the Netherland and Scandinavian countries who were bragging a few decades ago about how socialism would make their countries utopias but have since turned back into roaring capitalistic countries.
     
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    The War On Drugs has been a very bipartisan enterprise. Surely you know that.

    Our obsolete and failed education system should be liquidated and the revenue that floods into it should be diverted to the parents and guardians of students. It is time to empower the people to choose among alternatives to our massive corrupt education bureaucracy.
     
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    How's that working out for Finland?

    Finland is told its welfare state can't cope with virus fallout

    One of the world’s best-funded welfare states is starting to crack as the fallout of the coronavirus triggers mass unemployment.

    Finland’s system of jobless benefits can’t cope with the sudden surge in demand, the country’s biggest unemployment fund, YTK, said.

    There are more than 300,000 Finns who suddenly find themselves without work, either through temporary layoffs or outright job cuts. A large chunk of them may have to wait until next year to get their first benefit payment, YTK said.

    Money’s not the problem, Managing Director Sanna Alamaki said in letters to members sent through April 1. It’s “that the benefit applications can’t be processed and, consequently, money can’t be paid out quickly enough,” she said....

    ....The fund, which represents 20 per cent of wage earners in Finland, called on the government to help, and asked that it provide subsidies to companies laying off workers so that they still get paid through the payroll.
    https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/finland...state-can-t-cope-with-virus-fallout-1.1416274

    Sounds like the are listening to Trump and Munchin and trying to keep private companies liquid. Thankful they dumped their socialist economy and went back to capitalism. And their guaranteed basic income experiment, fail.
     
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    Huge difference, they all have a living wage health Care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly tax the rich their fair share. Huge difference from our give away to the rich screw everybody else GOP oligarchy.
     
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    Still waiting

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    If that is not fair what would be? Still waiting for you to prove the top 10% of earners earn 90% of the income.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    they are still socialist says everyone outside the English-speaking conservative dome of ignorance. And everyone is being overwhelmed. Plus it doesn't cost them anything. They already paid in their taxes.
     
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    They are the utopia you like to make them out.
     
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    Yes you choose to be screwed over by the greedy idiot GOP Rich because you are totally misinformed. Other modern countries get services we don't. That's how we got to have the worst inequality and upward mobility ever anywhere in the modern world. Great job
     
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    It's the right wing that goes on about socialist Utopias. Pure garbage propaganda about communism. But they are a lot happier and less stressed out than we are. Try Canada for example. Or France Germany Australia New Zealand Japan etcetera etcetera Scandinavia. We are a richer country and this is pathetic. Don't blame the blacks. Blame the racists who discriminate against them.
     
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    Okay it's only 70%. Still closer than you were. And that doesn't count all the other taxes that hit the non-rich twice as hard. 27% is pathetic and the reason our country is falling apart. everybody pays that much the rich need to be paying about 50%.

    The top 10 percent of earners bore responsibility for 70 percent of all income taxes paid – up slightly from 2016 – while half of all tax filers paid 97 percent of all income tax revenue.
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    National Taxpayers Union › tax-page
    Who Pays Income Taxes? - Foundation - National Taxpayers Union
     
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    Last sentence is, what's called in the English speaking world, an oxymoron
     
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    Exactly how do the rich screw everyone else?
     
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    depends on what they produce... startups that devastate world resources?

    capitalism?.. it was doomed from the very day communism has been done away with.

    the financial bubble we have today is no capitalism.
     
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    I dont, I blame the democrats whose policies destroyed the African American family and punted jobs out of the inner cities.
     
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    This is just sad stat ups produce jobs, find more effective ways to utilize resources, discover better ways to protect your data and a whole host of other useful benefits. A resource that is not made use if is a waste. The greatest resource of all is the human intellect.
     
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    Which startups are devastating world resources ??
     
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    True, you can't prove a negative... never asked you to prove anything.

    My argument to you is that you've drawn conclusions with insufficient data.

    Which is why I suggest you read Quigley. He was a heavyweight as historians go, and like you, he was a leftist.

    Nothing "conspiratorial" about what I'm saying. The information and facts are out there.

    You've been conditioned to look no further than you've been instructed however, so you will never understand the full picture.

    Answers like this demonstrate your lack of understanding.

    My guess is Machiavelli went right over your head.

    Speaking of Machiavelli, here's a question for you - do false flags happen?? Has the U.S. ever carried out a false flag that you know of??
     
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    Bologna. What policies?meanwhile many thanks to the scumbag GOP for blocking a living wage cheap college and training infrastructure everything. No sacrifice is too great to save the greedy idiot top rich. The non Rich are being wiped out so of course discriminated against blacks do the worst.
     
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    They don't pay enough in taxes so our infrastructure and aid for college and training go to hell so everything is so expensive. So you get the worst inequality and upward mobility ever.
     
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    What policies? You aren't aware that your welfare state all but compels the destruction of the nuclear family? In fact almost every pathology in the 'hood does not trace back to racism, unless, of course, you wish to assume that LBJ was a racist bigot who saw the 'Great Society' programs as a way to destroy the African American family and convert them into slaves to be farmed for votes instead of cotton, but rather to the disembowelment if the African American Family by the welfare state.
     
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    Through their privileges: legal entitlements to benefit from the abrogation of others' rights without making just compensation.
     
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    So cutting through the BS because you say so is the answer. Thought as much...
     

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