Why doesn't socialism work?

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    No, that is an absurd fabrication on your part. The rich's government-issued and -enforced legal entitlements to screw everyone else are indisputable: land titles, bank licenses, IP monopolies, broadcast spectrum allocations, oil and mineral rights, etc.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    the GOP no doubt
     
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    Absurdities. There are no monopolies to speak of.
    Everyone has access to land titles. All you have to do is buy a house. Broadcast spectrum are all but dead. The internet saw to that. Bank licences exist to keep the banks from screwing you. Buy the way it can't be a monopoly if it's more than one hince that first syllable mono...
     
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    What??

    Do you ever make sense??
     
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    Big Government and Big Business enjoy a symbiotic relationship.

    “When bad things happen in Washington, we assume the problem is that our national leaders have given in to seductive outside forces, the “special interests”, from time to time we erect laws and rules to protect politicians from these temptations. But what if we have it backwards? What if the greater culprits are *inside* the halls of power in Washington rather than on the outside? Some at the heart of Washington power have hinted at this cold, hard reality. As Edward Kangas, former global chairman Deloitte Touche, put it: ‘What has been called legalized bribery looks like extortion to us … I know from personal experience and from other executives that it's not easy saying no to appeals for cash from powerful members of Congress or there operatives. Congress can have a major impact on business … The threat may be veiled, but the message is clear: failing to donate could hurt your company.’”. EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, BuyVotes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013 p. 3.
     
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    Not if he can help it. He seems to operate under the impression that the Democratic party are all saints. By the way I'll name one for you off the top of my head, LBJ's Gulf of Tonkin. He used as the basis for sending 600k troops to Vietnam. Nixon's war my ass.
     
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    Utter bullshit the government would speND the entire yearly wages of the ten highest earners in America in less than a week. Even without adding all the other stuff Bernie wants to spend it on.
     
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    So it's another conspiracy?. My ass. LOL. Here's some breaking news for people who have listened to the GOP propaganda machine. Everyone would like a good job with benefits. Nobody wants a job that makes you worse off then being on welfare which is pretty hard to do but the GOP has succeeded beyond Your wildest dreams. Mario Cuomo said Reagan made blaming the poor acceptable. Quite a disgrace. Tax the rich and invest in Americans again!
     
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    I'm not a leftist, so cut the crap. Quigley isn't an economist, and you might look at what they have to say.
    You keep talking about bankers as the key to the economy and I tried to point out large corporations--Apple, Microsoft, GM, Amazon, Facebook, Google--have a huge influence.
    Uh huh. I taught economics and history for decades. Of course, it follows I'm brainwashed and you see the big picture.
    Do you have something relevant to cite? I doubt it.
    Of course.
    Yes.
     
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    That has nothing to do with what I said.
     
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    Nothing has anything to do with what you said it's pure poppycock. The whole plantation thing is total bologna. The welfare system is just about right, the problem is we don't have cheap college and training for the good jobs globalism produces with these new markets. Countries like Germany and Scandinavia are getting those while Americans are selling each other hamburgers and insurance. All other modern countries are socialist just what Bernie wants AOC anybody that calls himself a socialist. Ask a socialist not a GOP propagandist..
     
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    Every other modern country has what he wants already and we are the richest country in the world. You are totally misinformed by greedy idiot GOP billionaires. Mainly Rupert Murdoch.
     
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    An answer that us as bizarre and uninformed and detached from reality as anything I've read to date on this forum. First Republicans have nothing to do with the high cost if college. The Democratic party held the house of representative from 1932 until 1992. And had almost no resistance worthy of the name from me too Republicans in the Senate on the very rare occasions when the republicans had control of the senate. Our current system of higher education was built almost entirely by Democrats. Blaming Republicans for that is like blaming fish for the flood. They might have been along for the ride but they sure as hell didn't cause the rain.

    Most of the rest of that gobbledygook is equally ill founded and counter factual as well. And talk about propaganda you must have studied under Goebbels and got an A because you produce it as well or better than any one I ever saw
     
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    That is of course the sad reality. The only way out is to separate elections from money, as is done with considerable success in many free and democratic countries. The USA spends trillions "protecting democracy" from military threats, why not spend 1% of that sum to protect it against financial threats by publicly funding election campaigns? Citizens United stands in the way of that, unfortunately. It needs to be overturned ASAP.
     
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    It's the unearned, uncrystallized, unreported, and thus untaxed capital gains of the super-duper uber-rich that would fund the government, not the mere earned incomes of a few corporate execs.
     
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    Capital gains are damn well reported and also tax at a lower rate to encourage investment which in turn makes it easier and cheaper to finance the expansion of small companies.
     
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    GARBAGE. Every IP privilege is a monopoly, and land is always a monopoly because each parcel is unique and the supply is fixed.
    No, that's just absurd and disingenuous nonsense from you. If you want a land title, you have to pay the full market value to its current owner. I.e., you have to pay him for everyone's liberty right to use the land in order to get the legal entitlement to pocket the subsidy to the owner. THAT'S WHY LAND COSTS SO MUCH. Hello?
    BWAHAHAHAAA! Sure. And by the exact same "logic," slaves had access to freedom: all they had to do was buy their liberty from their owners.
    BWAHAHAHAAA!! Look at your freakin' phone bill.
    No, they exist to stop ordinary people from competing with banks. Bank licenses legally entitle banksters to charge the rest of us interest on the money we have to use to participate in the economy.
    It's effectively a monopoly if each item is unique and supply does not respond to price. I.e., under those conditions, competition has no effect: the price is the same if there are lots of sellers as if there is only one.
     
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    Only when crystallized. And the stepped-up cost basis on estate assets ensures that all uncrystallized capital gains are transferred intact, with no income tax paid, to heirs of estates. Such immense unearned income for the super-duper uber-rich is not only not "double taxed," it is never taxed at all.
    No. Low capital gains taxes encourage rent seeking, not productive investment. That much should be obvious from the current US economy.
    Garbage. Capital gains consist almost entirely of the rents of privilege. Productive investment typically yields operating profits, not capital gains.
     
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    And what do they have to show for it? Governments that are as responsive to the needs and interests of the common man as as a dog is to those of a blue whale.
     
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    What a lot of crap. Nothing is free old son it's never been free it's never going to be free. You spout pablum for the uneducated and in the end if you get your way you'll be back to wiping your butt with a damp corn cob because paper will be far to costly for that purpose.
     
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    Of course being a member of the fox Rush propaganda misinformation machine, you have no clue what's been going on. Reagan started going after our basically free public universities when he was governor. Most of those protests at Berkeley started out and were about tuition rises. Republicans have been doing the same thing ever since. Public colleges and training programs used to be so much cheaper before Reagan became president and since. Of course you people believe people just got lazy and stupid magically. Poor America
     
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    Canada. They tend to have a better social safety net. Public schools in poor neighborhoods get as much money per student as schools in wealthy communities. Social mobility is greater than in this country. The children of immigrants do as well as other children.
     
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    funny how we the richest country in the world is the only modern rich country without a living wage healthcare paid parental leave daycare cheap college in training great infrastructure and vacations. You are totally misinformed and cheated by Your heroes. And most non English-speaking countries have had socialist and communist parties and they know the difference -one's democracy and the other isn't. Now of course the Communist parties have disappeared. Only pure garbage propaganda makes this mess possible. You Republican voters Believe in A million phony scandals and ridiculous conspiracy theories and just pure misinformation....
     
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    Of course it's not free, but it will be the rich who pay for it. The ridiculously bloated Rich after 38 years of Reagan tax rates
     
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    Socialism works just fine. Unfortunately English-speaking conservative don't know what it is good. they think it is communism
     

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