After mocking Trump for promoting hydroxychloroquine, journalists acknowledge it might treat coronav

What do you disagree with me, the President and the doctor about? i really don't understand what you are ranting about if you agree with us

 

Now your contorting even further what was already contorted. Let's get this clear. NOBODY claimed it was a knockout drug. Got that now? NOBODY claimed it was a knockout drug!

 

After watching the antics of the Democratic clown car for the last three years, you'd think that you would know the answer to your own question....

 

Yet you are posting YOUR opinion, n'est ce pas layperson?

And you are the source of "fact"? An anonymous poster in a mostly anonymous discussion forum? Right, that's quite "instructive" of you.

No you're posting a lot more than that and it's filled with flaws. There may actually be fact mixed in with the flaws but one would need to try to pick these out and verify them since you are no more than an anonymous layperson claiming to be posting "statements of fact" to be "instructive to all", or whatever delusion of grandeur you claim. That sounds a lot like what Trump would claim regularly about every single subject under the sun. That narcissistic attitude must be rubbing off.

Because you said so? I posted an article that contradicts the OP, that is all. Readers can take it or leave it, that's their individual prerogative.

Clearly you know nothing about me but you do know how to write a flaw filled post.

 

LOL @ my credibility being lost. Your argument has been 100% DESTROYED. The best thing that you can do is to slink away. Pretending after the fact that I somehow have not comprehended anything that you have said is fooling no one. Are you simply trying to convince someone that hasn't read anything else in this conversation? What is the point?

 

they mocked Trump for trying to push a drug before it was known if it works or not... let the experts test it

it may or may not work, sounds promising, but we still do not know

there is not enough of the medicine of the people that need it today, let alone for those that get this disease if all doctors prescribe it for every case, but it could be tried on those in critical condition - let the experts handle it

Trump just wanted to claim the credit for the drug early in case it worked, the credit if it does work goes to the scientists that discovered it

last I heard they tested it on 8 people, one died, that is about the same percent that die from no drug

 

Germany is testing new vaccine based on an older vaccine, I mentioned it here first, we should all take it before testing

does that mean I get credit for their work if they are successful and can blame others if it fails

that is what Trump did

I could do that for every potential new drug\vaccine too

 

Add another to the long list of positive posts on potential mitigation of the Chinese virus. Thank you.

 

LOL! Remember the thread:

"Possible cure for coronavirus already exists as a malarial drug- just tested 100%"

You were saying?

 

You are digging yourself a hole. I did not vote for Trump. I criticize him when appropriate. Nothing I’ve posted on chloroquine has rubbed off of anyone. It’s pure science. My criticism of your link was not me, it is the scientific method.

You are unable to point to a single flaw in my posts. Just saying my post is full of flaws without detailing where I’m in error is juvenile and you brought the “adult” dynamic to this thread. I’ve pointed yours out and explained specifically why you are in error. All I know is if you take the word of your links you are a science denier. And I’ve shown why by invoking accepted scientific method.

If you don’t want your posts debunked with science I suggest not posting.

 

And you obviously didn't bother reading my post, if you jumped to Trump=Truth. Facts are facts, regardless of the source, but in this case, Trump isn't even involved in the fact. You just inserted it so you had something to decry.

There are many ways to things in life, but when ALL you see is one thing and one thing only, you are going to walk into walls.

 

https://www.goodrx.com/blog/coronav...uine-hydroxychloroquine-as-covid19-treatment/

here is a study from march 20th

"A small study in France reported that people who got 600 mg of hydroxychloroquine had a lower amount of the virus (viral load) in the body. The problem with this study is that comparisons were made between patients at different hospitals. This makes it difficult to know if improvements were because of hydroxychloroquine or other things. And, of the 26 people who initially got hydroxychloroquine, 6 people (23%) had to stop treatment because of nausea, worsening disease, leaving the hospital, or death."

 

Nobody has said that it wouldn't work. But it was far too soon to tell without the research to back it up and in the meantime, supplies of those drugs have dwindled which affects the people with conditions that we know for sure they work for.

Trump should not be recommending medicines to people. Let the actual doctors on his task force do that.

 

Well, for starters, if I am not mistaken, it was Laura Ingraham that first mentioned this drug, or at least she was the first that I saw discussing it. Trump did not mention it until a few days later. I guess that your question would then be why did Laura Ingraham bring it up? I dont know for sure, but my guess would be so that she could transmit a smidgeon of promising news among the cesspool of reality in which we are all currently living. I happen to think that we could all use a little bit of positive news, a glimmer of hope, and a promising therapy where none existed before is indeed a step in the right direction. It certainly beats NOTHING. I bellieve that Trump then picked it up because he is a glass is half full type of person, he wanted to soothe feelings of panic amongst the public, and he is also trying to calm the stock market. I fail to see why inserting a tiny bit of legitimate positivity into the national discussion is somehow a bad thing. It would be one thing if this were an over the counter drug that he was telling the public to go buy, but this is a drug only prescribed by doctors. Doctors already knew about this treatment. He did not tell them anything that they did not already know.

As far as you saying that you would rather go with scientifically proven evidence rather than anecdotal...of course. That is the cornerstone of evidence based medicine. With that being said, this is a highly unique situation that obviously does not have time for full fledged evidence based principles to be put into play. At this point it is essentially a compassionate use exemption. If you have a drug that you already know is adequately safe, that seems to produce some results, and you are dealing with dying patients and no other viable proven therapy exists, OF COURSE you are going to use what appears to provide some benefit; especially when that drug has shown phenomenal results in vitro. For as much as you say that you would rather go with scientifically proven therapies, I guarantee that if your wife were in the hospital gasping desperately for air and her oxygen saturation numbers were reaching near death levels, you would be BEGGING them to try that anecdotal therapy. These arent statistics we are talking about. They are people, and people in a desperate situation want to try whatever medicine thinks might give them their best hope or that at least provides SOME benefit. At this point in time, that best hope is inarguably Hydroxychloroquine.

 

In caps yet, I'm so worried. This is coming from someone who ASSumed an article I posted came from "some left wing Trump hating blog" without even bothering to check it out.

I posted it several times but you still haven't figured it out.

 

No I'm posting in this thread, maybe you're looking at another hole.

If you believe the "scientific method" is all about your criticism of my link, you only validate my point about your numerous flaws and especially your lack of expertise in science in general.

Then you don't know very much. Where pray tell did I say that? Again for the reading comprehension impaired, I posted that article because it contradicts the OP and comes from an expert, as opposed to "journalists who acknowledge". Yet another flaw, they seem to come regularly from you.

 

Yeah, watch your step.

 

I love it when people like you resort to ad hominem. Proves you have no idea what you are talking about, so thanks.

Every point I made in criticizing your link was founded on the scientific method. I implore you to provide something substantial to refute my criticism.

Please provide specific evidence I lack expertise in science in general.

And yet you still can’t point to any specific “flaw” in my posts. It makes me laugh when people say I’m wrong but can’t specifically state my error, let alone refute it. As I pointed out, there is nothing “expert” about what you posted. It is in direct conflict with the scientific method.

 

He was too busy finding ways to ignore the low levels of PPE in the national stockpile

 

You made the claim, the burden of proof is on YOU. You still don't understand the point of my post even though I posted it multiple times, yet another flaw, you are full of those.

 

I did not claim my posts had flaws. That’s just silly. You claim my posts have flaws. The burden of proof is on you. You are a funny guy.

 

And yet the governor of Nevada is still choosing Death over Trump, banning hydroxychloroquine for political purposes.

 

The biggest proponent of this drug is a kook named Feldman I believe. He is part of the KJ community in NY. He claims to have "successfully treated" 500 people with this.

Problem is that there have been less than 400 confirmed cases of Covid in that area.

We need to be careful of charlatans

 

I never said you did. Why would you claim your own posts are filled with flaws?

Yes I did and explained it to you on multiple occasions.

 

Do you have data on distribution of cases in NY? My understanding is some of his patients are traveling to see him.

Oh, and you have the wrong guy. Just saying...if accuracy is important to you it may help to set an example...