How Trump failed the biggest test of his life

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I live in France. I know a great many French "conservatives". They don't go ballistic about money-money-money. In fact, they say nothing. Whyzzat?

    Because it is in the US that riches are the red-badge of courage. An indication of "having succeeded". In Europe, the fact that one is rich is not "bumped with a trumpet". You buy a very expensive Porshe along with a beautifully large house, and people get the idea.

    Yeah, right, so you're for peasants who don't get educated. Right?

    You're part of "Putin's" New Russia? You know, the one that is ultra-rich like him and his daughter who also married a New Rich (son of Putin's best-friend?) Then came to France to buy a winery in Bordeaux?

    Well, ya, you got that right. But, your friend Putin is doing the same in Syria. Got stocks, has he, in the company that has Russian military contracts?

    The DoD is a cash-cow for that select group of people who donate the money that elects presidents in the US. They all suck-up to Donald Dork, who rewards them by lowering their income-taxes. (Which he did two years ago - in preparation for their largess towards him for the upcoming reelection.)

    And then the DoD recruits youngsters who cannot afford to go to post-secondary schooling with the promise that - if they have survived two years in Afghanistan - to pay the costs.

    Risk you life and get educated! Who could resist that insanity ... ?
     
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  2. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, well, just me dying in some stupid military-campaign devised by the DoD (so someone else gets to understand the "true value of many things") is really not my cup-of-tea ...
     
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    Military campaign aren't the only kind of adversity, the coronavirus is one.
    I don't fancy to die for any politician.
     
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    China refused to cooperate with the US which was eager to help

    https://www.voanews.com/science-hea...h-officials-urge-more-cooperation-china-virus
     
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  5. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    CYA

    The Chinese version of what happened in the SARS-tragedy, here:
    THE SARS EPIDEMIC AND ITS AFTERMATH IN CHINA: A POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE

    Copyright: Copyright © 2004, National Academy of Sciences.

    Excerpt:
    Be careful, the dates mentioned seem to indicate a process that happened this year - except COVID-19 started in December and not January. What is described above was copyrighted in 2004 and is uniquely about SARS.

    What's amazing is that, if you read the document in depth, you will find that the above incident, in 2002, seems to show the very same reaction from the Chinese government as earlier this year. That is, at the higher levels the plutocrats were indulging in CYA* - Decision Making

    *Cover Your Ass
     
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    You are correct. tRUMP even said so at a press conference.
    He is NOT RESPONSIBLE.

    Which should be the only reason needed to NOT Re-elect a leader who takes no responsibility for anything.
    An impeached one on top of that.
     
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    You need to ask why fellow Americans should care about other fellow Americans? Really.

    But you're correct tRUMP nor his supporters actually care about other Americans. And should be another reason why the impeached prez should not even seek a 2nd term.
     
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    tRUMP said it best himself.

    He's a business man, he doesn't need people sitting idly around, like a pandemic team. He can get them when they are needed.

    Wonder when he will decide he needs them?
     
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    He is correct he and the federal government are not responsible for your LOCAL AND STATE emergency management and hospitals and first responders. I don't know where you learned otherwise and apparently have never been in a state of emergency.
     
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    The federal government can't deal with every town every county and every state, they never do. Again has Cuomo and de Blasio turned over their state and city to the Feds? The federal government is there to SUPPORT them it is not the frontline manager.
     
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    We-the-sheeple were given the chance to rid ourselves of him by means of impeachment. The testimony against him was impressive.

    And yet, the party that controls the Senate decided not to do so. For its own particular interests - to protect a sitting PotUS of its own party. And this regardless of the more than sufficient evidence to indict him!

    Which is the sort of conduct that one sees typically in a Banana Republic!


    That party should be punished for putting its own selfish interest ahead of that of the nation ...
     
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    Or Mickey Mouse!

    (He forgot to mention Mickey Mouse ... ! ;^)
     
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    And it is not supporting them now. Instead, Profiteer Jared is trying to make money for the My Pillow Man by gouging us all for face masks while the very doctors and nurses we will need to help us die for lack of same. This is disgraceful and insane. Disgraceful because there is an online ad selling these masks for FIFTY ****ing dollars while they should be 50 cents and insane because if the Trumps were blatantly killing thousands for their own profit in any other country they surely would be somewhere else than in the Presidential Palace.
     
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    I've been in a state of common sense since I was born. You cannot expect local and state authorities to deal with GLOBAL crises, particularly global PANDEMICS.

    They are called "first responders" because they are the FIRST responders, not the fracking ONLY responders
     
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    I'm for educating everybody to every level and for free. College should be the new High School and you shouldn't be considered really educated until you have a masters, or two, and a Ph.D

    An educated populace is a productive and prosperous populace. Investing in education not only pays for itself but yields a profit for the government that does so. This has been proven over and over.

    One of the main problems I have with conservatives is that so many of them don't want us ALL to be rich, and will actively oppose our being so, even at a cost to themselves.
     
  16. LafayetteBis

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    WORK-INCOME AND LIVING-EXPENSES

    All that is good stuff, but the challenge still remains with the Truly Poor who live below the Poverty Threshold (which is $25K of annual revenue for a family of four). At that salary they are earning $12 an hour. Some sites situate the total cost of living at around 4580 per month - which is around $28$ per hour (based upon 40 hours a week). This sort of calculation allows us to qualify/quantify both Work-Income and Living-Expenses to see how people live.

    And for the moment the average salary in the US is "breaking even" - that is it supports a family of four.

    Of course the "average means some do better and some do worse. Some think nonetheless that the Minimum Income should allow for much more than this average. They suggest the minimum wage be raised to $17 and hour. The most recent proposition is this one, from here:
    I still think $15/hour is too little. Whyzat? if we want people to earn better a better standard-of-living they need nowadays a higher level of education necessary for jobs at higher wages. And that will not happen any time soon without state postsecondary-schools offering education at an entry-fee of $500 per year.

    And NOT the average $14K per year as it now stands ...
     
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  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I think that all that could be easily dealt with by giving everyone a UBI of $2000 a month, (1000 is really much too low)

    I don't understand about your entry fee of $500 per year, I don't think there should be ANY fee to go to college.
     
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    I agree. He thinks he's not responsible to the people and states of the USA.

    Not even sure, other than ego and bank acct for his businesses, why he'd want to be pres of something he has no intention of being responsible for.

    Local and state gov't can't control the air travel in and out of USA. Can't stockpile needed equipment for pandemics, etc.
     
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    The republican part in the USA refers to anyone not in the R party as the enemy.
    So they feel, 65% of the country's residents are the enemy in their minds. Sad isn't it.
     
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    He’s a “reactionary who relies on his instincts.”
    That’s short hand for being poorly educated.
     
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    Thinking ? Oh, you were thinking out loud. That’s better.
     
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    It’s a charade. It’s how the Trumpers and back up Rs react when they know they are wrong and need to change the narrative. “ you hate me” is the bailout.
     
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    Obviously either you do not understand the Federal and State and Local responsibilities or are just obfuscating because you think you can attack Trump for not taking over every EMS in the country and federalizing all states, counties and cities.
     
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    It’s a war. If Another nation attacks NY, should they just sit back until nyc runs out of ammo ?
    No, a virus spreads from state to state. That makes any attack an immediate full intervention and support.
    If Trump were president when Pearl Harbor was attacked, I suppose they’d just hand Hawaii over to the nearest invader....

    in case anyone forgot, we are called the United States and a virus like any foreign invader will spread everywhere. Fast and immediate federal intervention is called for.....by Federal medical science, not the idiot Trump and his half wit son in law.
     
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    This is not a military matter stop trying to conflate the two. The Constitution directly assign military national defense to the federal government. STATES are responsible for local emergency management including health emergencies.

    Again are Cuomo and de Blasio screaming for Trump to come and take over?
     

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