Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

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  1. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's the whole point of the exercise of shut downs and temporary restrictions. We who are not at risk are sacrificing to save the lives of those who are at risk.
     
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    What percentage of total US deaths are those individuals with preconditions and with the corona virus. What percentage of those precondition/virus deaths are individuals who are pre diabetic ?? What percentage of those with precondition/virus deaths are individuals with BMI over 30 ?? That data is not out there.
     
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    But some of those at high risk may not know it.
     
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    We may start doing that during flu season from now on. Imagine cutting the number of flu deaths to 25-50%.
     
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    I agree. A lot of senior's are not at all computer savvy. They may not watch any news. They may not have been to a doctor in decades to know what health conditions they have. They may be completely ignorant that they are at a significantly higher risk of dying while this virus is circulating with no vaccine or approved treatment.

    That's why the rest of us have to protect them.
     
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    We need to reinforce the idea that you need to stay home if you’re sick and not spread your germs through the community.
     
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    But we are already very well aware of that. Why so much focus on that? It sounds sort of like you're saying that this is just a problem for that group and that we're just over-reacting.
     
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    It doesn't matter what the percentages are. The risk groups are well published and we know that those groups are suffering the highest mortality.

    From the CDC website:

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    Thanks for the revelation.

    Now, can you explain how reclassifying Covid-19 deaths as being caused by 'diabetes', or 'high blood pressure', or some other disease, helps even those suffering from one of these different conditions, that they are at high risk of dying from Covid-19?

    In the meantime, most of those who actually have the interest you claim refrain from making the comments you often make about this virus. Instead, they are doing their best to identify those at greatest risk and let them know they are at greatest risk, not understate the risks to others, make sure those who can put those at greatest risk abide by measures that reduce the risk to those who are at great risk, and report the high numbers dying from Covid-19 without trying to 'reclassify' those deaths as being due to something else.
     
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    The data is actually out there. For example, about 1 in 3 can be considered pre-diabetic. Regardless, the numbers of people who have such conditions is of little importance in containing the spread of the disease.
     
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    We also well know that a lot of health care workers are getting this and dying. This is no ordinary flu.

    It's not just about protecting high-risk groups. This a particularly nasty bug. Anyone that doubts that need only look at video from NYC or Lombardy Italy.
     
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    The best person to protect yourself is yourself. And the best way for a person to know that they need to be extraordinarily careful is through data. That applies to the person at risk and those who interact closely with them.
     
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    Cuomo update (in brief):

     
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    He's still going on with that nonsense? I highly recommend the ignore button. Trolls disappear when their food supply disappears. Anyone still trying to downplay this disease is seriously starting to piss me off.
     
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    Of course it is not all about protecting high risk groups. Although healthcare workers are at high risk. Wouldn’t it be beneficial however to know that pre diabetes, high BMI, etc were significant pre conditions and use that information to screen healthcare workers.
     
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    That’s tragically funny. Suggesting ways to save lives is pissing you off ???
     
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    Your right about that, but those who have been diagnosed with conditions are warned about being high risk when they are diagnosed.
     
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    What is the overall percentage totally and broken out. I don’t see pre diabetic or combinations of the pre conditions.

    And again this information will save lives.
     
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    What combinations are most at risk ?? Are those with BMI over 30 being warned ??
     
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    As you pointed out, the people most at risk may not know they are at risk. I agreed, and said they may not be accessing the plentiful data that the rest of us are.

    Given that, the more we socialize, the more people we encounter, the higher the risk of us getting infected, with or without any symptoms, and passing the virus along to someone who doesn't even know that they are at risk.

    I don't want to be increasing my risk of getting infected and then passing by the little old lady in the grocery store who is simply trying to find a package of pasta on an empty shelf. I won't let my carelessness kill someone if I can help it, so I have stopped all socializing for now, as recommended.

    My boss and I keep 6 ft apart and have gone on a Lysol-spraying, hand-washing spree at the office, and we have totally separate offices.

    So, work, grocery store, home. No happy hour. No meeting friends. It's not that bad.
     
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    They are most at risk. And there are combinations of those pre conditions which may increase the risk to a higher level as suggested by Dr. Smiths data posted twic up thread.
     
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    You can google those questions and find all kinds of information to answer your questions. LoneStarGal just posted a list of those, and even though it's a generalized list, if you have one, you're at risk. Seriously, the information is everywhere.
     
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    That “little old lady” with the knowledge that her pre diabetes is a serious precondition. Additionally the middle aged lady with a BMI over 30 and a minor heart issue may understand that she is high risk and stay out of grocery stores.
     
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    If that information is available then please answer the questions I posed to you earlier concerning percentages.
     
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    Careful, you'll have your trump club card revoke with this kind of talk. Repeat after me: it's only as bas a common flu.

    Ok, I apologize lol.
     

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