Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

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  1. Woogs

    Woogs Well-Known Member

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    Oh, sure lots of data will be useful .... in the future. I could see not placing high-risk people with infectious disease cases. That's not gonna happen now, though.

    Right now we are trying to control the spread of the first wave of this virus. Some lessons learned may be applied to the second wave, and there will be a second wave. How severe it may be is an open question, but it will happen once we open up society more, with more people going back to work, traveling and just generally interacting.
     
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    Well said. The healthiest among us may not be at risk of dying or even of mild symptoms, but those people are carriers who spread the virus. And maybe the UPS guy who just delivered supplies to the self-quarantined person with lung problems unknowingly passed the virus on.

    Also--I misread you last line at first. I thought you said "nappy hour." I like that. :)
     
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    Why, one could almost get the impression that some poor lost souls out there think that people with pre-conditions of any sort somehow deserve to get the Coronavirus and die: "looky, looky, they were already sick somewhere in their body, G-d wants to get rid of the useless ones!" Or some such horsehit like that.
     
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    Yes! You're starting to get it!

    One condition, bad. Two conditions, more bad. Three or more conditions, worst case scenario risk.
     
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    That real time information will save lives now. It will not save those lives in the future.
     
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    That’s been my point all along. That’s why I posted Dr. Smith’s data. What are the preconditions and what combinations put individuals at the most risk. His data for example suggests that a BMI over 30 is significant. The CDC list shows BMI over 40 and does not include prediabetes.
     
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    For me, it probably is. ;) :p
     
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    Nappy hour is the new replacement for happy hour. ZZzzzzzz.
     
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    There's enough info out there now for people to know their risk. You'd have to have been living under a rock to not know. That being said, some don't have the mental capacity to process the info and some just ignore it.

    Also, it's ridiculous to assert that what we learn from this now won't save lives in the future.
     
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    ...which really is, when we think about it, not rocket science or anything like that. Logic would dictate that any disease coming into the maelstrom will have more success with weaker hosts, precisely because their immune-systems are already under stress from other maladies and therefore less resistant to an attack. And it's also not necessary to make a huge jump to assume, and reasonably so, that the oldest among us will tend to be the more frail, the weaker, the more susceptible to such illnesses.

    It is also true that the data is pointing clearly toward extreme obsesity as a factor in all of this, so once the disease has run it's course, I recommend a Jenny Craig course for the planet. Really, I do.

    And since we pride ourselves on having a proud Republic based on Democratic principles and free-will, freedom and justice and liberty and all and the entire Reuben sandwich with extra toppings and nicely wrapped to go, then logic would dictate that such an advanced society would most certainly care for those who are the weaker, i.e, small children, elderly and people with bad illnesses.

    I mean, that some people are actually debating whether or not a lockdown is worth it because, well, gee, the old geezers are gonna kick the can anyway and my g-d my 401K is more important, well - that is just plain old sad. It's totally perverted. It's.... insane.... and inhumane.

    We all will have a role to play in restarting the entire world's economy, not just in the USA. But first, the disease must be deprived of entering any more new hosts. There is a way to restart the economy right now, in the middle of the plague, but in order to do that, we need anti-body tests. About 12 billion of them. STAT.

    I would bet that were any one of the people who are bitching and moaning about going through the uncomfortable part of the COVID-19 era, namely, having to stay at home, to have to spend just one day non-stop in an ICU having to watch people die after health care workers have worked their asses off and thrown everything including the kitchen sink into it, they would be singing an entirely different tune.

    So, to the screwed up naysayers all over the world: NO, you twits, GRANDMA is not expendable.
     
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    I vote for this 5,000 times!!!!
     
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    Who asserted that ??? What I said that your suggestion that we wait to develop the information in the future that will not save lives in the present.

    And thanks - you correctly acknowledge that this information will save lives in the future future. It then follows that the information will also save lives in the present.
     
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    I would recommend you read this article.
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/science...D-19-kill-some-not-others-Answer-15177609.php
    Why does COVID-19 kill some, not others? Answer may lie in human immune system


     
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    Yes! :applause:



    My interpretation is that you posted the Italian information to be helpful, as if you believed that the Italian data about comorbidity was a unique finding in the world. My understanding of what you are saying is that the revelation that age and coexisting medical conditions is exactly the same worldwide and not just Italy is new information to you. Now, since you just learned that the mortality rate is consistent around the globe in relation to age plus other conditions, you think it would be in the best interest to inform everyone else. If that is the case, then I agree. Everyone who doesn't know that information should be informed.

    Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but that is my current understanding of what you've been trying to share.
     
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    I did no such thing, but have it your way ....
     
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    Well one thing is for sure. We probably won't be scrambling for beds, ventilators and PPE. At minimum, we should have more supplies and hopefully we don't lose too many of our healthcare workers on the front lines

    Fingers crossed for progress on a vaccine and maybe to find a treatment or prophylaxis.
     
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    What surprised me about the Italian data was the very high percentage of deaths with preconditions. And although the total fatalities attributable to Corona virus was not changed the Italian medical science officer revised the death certificates to list those preconditions with Corona virus. Dr. Smith has seen the same pattern. Therefore I’m suggesting that there is a life saving benefit to providing as much information as possible on the preconditions which have factored in each tragic death.
     
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    Your post clearly states that this information when developed in the future will save lives in the future.
     
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    Queen Elizabeth will address the UK on Sunday, Buckingham Palace said, only the fifth time she has done so other than at Christmas during her 68 years on the throne.

    The government has put Britain into a virtual lockdown, closing pubs, restaurants and nearly all shops, while banning social gatherings and ordering Britons to stay at home unless it is absolutely essential to venture out.

    Last month, the queen issued a written statement in which she said the royal family would play its part in rising to the challenge of the coronavirus outbreak.

     
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    That's what I thought. And I agree. Anyone who is still unaware of the risks definitely needs to be informed.
     
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    Lupus is an autoimmune disease. All autoimmune conditions are a risk.
     
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    I am not going to comment much on a drug that is still undergoing trial tests, except to say I have my fingers crossed and hope it proves as effective as those who are mainly interested in this drug because Trump decided to mention it, are claiming it will be. To be sure, already there are many other countries, including Iran, now beginning to produce this drug in case it does prove effective fighting Covid-19.

    All that said, let me also refer you to this article.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlie...coronavirus-but-maybe-its-false/#57ecc22472d7
    Trump Makes Claim About Lupus And Coronavirus—But ‘Maybe It’s False’
     
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    And I would add that those aware of the risks can benefit from being better informed. :xd:
     
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