"430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced"

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    archives Well-Known Member

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    "There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump’s travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip, some this past week and many with spotty screening."

    "Flights continued this past week, the data show, with passengers traveling from Beijing to Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York, under rules that exempt Americans and some others from the clampdown that took effect on Feb. 2. In all, 279 flights from China have arrived in the United States since then"

    "Mr. Trump has repeatedly suggested that his travel measures impeded the virus’s spread in the United States. “I do think we were very early, but I also think that we were very smart, because we stopped China,” he said at a briefing on Tuesday, adding, “That was probably the biggest decision we made so far.” Last month, he said, “We’re the ones that kept China out of here.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/u...gtype=Homepage
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21N0EJ
    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...administration

    So does Trump's claim that "we stopped China" hold true? We've seen the statement echoed by Trump, the right wing media, and repeated by his defenders, that his banning of travel from China was his best move, but did, and is it, really working see we are still accepting travel between the countries?
     
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    FlamingLib Well-Known Member

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    I think it helped. I don't think it was decisive. I think the lack of testing was decisive and we're probably going to lose tens of thousands of people could have saved had we done what s. Korea did.
     
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    "430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced"

    but that can't be, Trump said he banned travel there, Trump wouldn't lie would he?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree, in the beginning Trump did not want the numbers to rise on paper, it would not surprise me if we find he tried to slow down testing
     
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    At this point, if that had happened, I think there would be a whistleblower or it would have been leaked. It's one thing to try political shenanigans with Ukraine. It's another to do it here during a health crisis. Trump ain't too bright, but I think he knows not to **** in his own backyard.

    He certainly is guilty of a sin of omission: all the while we weren't testing, Trump didn't do anything to prioritize it, and in fact lied about how it was going on several occasions. So, yeah, he's guilty of a total lack of leadership.
     
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    So do you guys want to be angry about this or alleged xenophobia?
     
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    maybe, how long did it take for the Ukraine scandal to leak, trump made it clear he was against his numbers rising, like when he refused to quarantine the Cruise passengers off the ship due to the numbers going up, if he left them there, they did not count in his mind
     
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    I am angry trump lied to us and said he banned travel, but really did not - we want the truth, not lies

    which do you want?

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    Look at a map. Beijing and Wuhan aren't very close. Trump stopped all direct travel out of Wuhan. That was the known infected area. The Chinese were monitoring traffic out of Wuhan and we were tracking anyone who had been there. Not seeing the big deal here...
     
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    He banned Chinese people - not people from China. I guess in his mind, there was a very big difference.
     
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    They probably haven't been told by China which one to be angry about.
     
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    Let's not let facts get in the way of the 24/7 need for the Chines water carriers to blame everything on Trump.
     
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    Seeing as how I don't hate Trump, I'm not able to be outraged by the way he speaks.

    It would appear that travel has been restricted to authorized people only. Not perfect, but better than nothing. Better than what someone like Biden would've done. Biden was still playing the race card over travel restrictions just weeks ago.

    So really, you guys don't have much to be upset about.
     
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    Trump needs to be presidential. I get that this just dropped in his lap and other world leaders of nations like ours made similar blunders, but feuding with reporters and governors and talk about ratings has to stop. It's completely inappropriate while we're losing 1,000+ Americans a day. If Trump can't act presidential at this moment in time, he's going to lose in 2020. That's all there is too it.
     
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    He's feuding with governors who loudly blamed him for their own mistakes, and feuding with reporters who only seem to want to attack him and defend china.
     
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    He banned Chinese natives, not everyone, the first case was a guy who returned from China, and if you read the articles you'd see he waited to long after being aware of the tear, and today, we still have flights arriving
     
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    "Whataboutisms" aren't relevant, only a deflection
     
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    "Thier mistakes?" Asking the "war President" in what he declared was a war to send necessary supplies to fight the war is blaming the "war President?"

    States don't have any equivalent to the FDA, DHS, FEMA, nor CDC, that is the Federal Gov't's role, saying the Governors are to blame is inane
     
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    Wait, are you saying that when a governor bans the use of a effective drug that's somehow Trump's fault? And the best part is that governor then did a 180 reversal.
     
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    Your own article says the first case slipped through because he broke up his trip. Measures were already in place. Just more senseless Trump bashing...
     
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    Ah, don't know where that comes from but if you are referencing the malaria drug Trump is pushing, it hasn't been approved by the FDA nor recommended by the CDC at this stage. It has complications regarding the heart and has only been used in those cases where the patient is deemed dying, and not always sucessfully

    And no idea what you are talking about a governor banning the use of a drug, not there choice
     
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    He was one, and it was nearly two weeks before Trump enacted his ban, partial ban, and that was a month after it was understandable as a pandemic
     
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    I find it interesting that one of the most vocal critics of the China travel ban, even though it is believed to have saved untold lives, was WHO. Way too much politics in that organization.

    https://qz.com/1795615/coronavirus-travel-bans-on-china-imposed-by-growing-list-of-nations/

    And of course Biden has been an embarrassment on this subject. We can all be thankful he's not prez.
     
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    Travel was banned what are you talking about? American citizens were rushed home and quarantined. According to the articles Trump listened to the Drs. the very thing the left said he wouldn't.
     
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    Another "whataboutism," amazing the number that come up when one has to defend Trump
     

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