Stay at home orders are a joke, here's why

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  1. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We can only hope—much better to be ruled by “love of money” (Capitalism) than love of power (Socialism). Or, better the man with the wallet than the government thug and his gun.
     
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    corporate greed could turn us all into slaves of the machine...
     
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    private care can't handle the load? turning to the government for help?
     
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    No way does a free-market healthcare system get destroyed by a puny bug with a 99+% survivability rate.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here’s the rub—no gun at your head forcing you to work anywhere for others in a free market system. In capitalism, the use of coercive power is restricted to protecting individual rights, not creating gulags, concentration camps, and slave labor for the state. Very different for any other system, especially fascist, socialist, and communist systems.
     
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    There is one good thing about this virus...it proves God can’t defeat a virus, let alone raise the dead.

    We have a Dark Age morality, altruism, so its fitting we have a Dark Age plague-like castrophe. They go hand in hand together.

    Ayn Rand: “Every period ruled by mystics was an era of stagnation and want, when most men were on strike against existence, working for less than their barest survival, leaving nothing but scraps for their rulers to loot, refusing to think, to venture, to produce, when the ultimate collector of their profits and the final authority on truth or error was the whim of some gilded degenerate sanctioned as superior to reason by divine right and by grace of a club.”
    http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/dark_ages.html
     
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    You mean like Ford, who paid state sanctioned thugs to murder his own workers for demanding the right to return to work.... (google: "Ford massacre")
     
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    In the modern day the two are one and the same. Capitalism is nowhere to be seen, socialism is nowhere to be seen. Instead we have the third way of bureaucracy wherein unions and corporations collude with the state to screw the individual for their benefit.

    I am not opposed to the existence of socialism, nor capitalism, nor any other -ism, I oppose strongly the tendency to centralise all power in international bureacracies.

    The foundation of my political views is a passionate opposition to centralisation.
     
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    yep, that is the other alternative, the society could rise up and burn the place down, neither are good options
     
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    Capitalusm is the only individualistic system in existence—free trade among free minds.

    Ayn Rand:”Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned.

    The recognition of individual rights entails the banishment of physical force from human relationships: basically, rights can be violated only by means of force. In a capitalist society, no man or group may initiate the use of physical force against others. The only function of the government, in such a society, is the task of protecting man’s rights, i.e., the task of protecting him from physical force; the government acts as the agent of man’s right of self-defense, and may use force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use; thus the government is the means of placing the retaliatory use of force under objective control.”
    http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/capitalism.html

    Individualism vs Collectivism
     
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    so private health care is doing fine and does not need the governments help?
     
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    ~ I don't think the 6 feet rule does much - but it is a nice social etiquette practice . :aww:
    Here in the U.S. it seems the real difference is the awareness of not touching your face - especially nose & eyes. People are washing their hands more/using wipes and hand sanitizer. We often pick this virus up by grabbing or rubbing something contaminated - then we forget to use sanitizer before putting hands/fingers to face.
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    Markets and shops that stay open are wiping down surfaces and leaving hand wipes out for customers.
    I believe masks will become the next fashion trend , so we may as well get used to them.
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    Statist governments and their mixed economies never help, they only loot and imprison.

    There hasn't been a free market healthcare system for over 50 years.
     
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    Any individual or gang that rises up against a capitalist system is a looter seeking the unearned. They are brutes who believe their fists entitle them to another man’s effort.
     
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    Destroy the virus, not my life. I do agree it is each of us behaving rationally that will defeat this bug. I hope the mask bit lasts only until they squish this bug. Where are Johnny, Dizzy, and Carmen? We need some good bug squashers.
     
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    ~ Exactly ...
     
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    Except Henry Ford, who paid government thugs to murder his own workers for wanting to return to work.
     
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    Actually, Trumpy could shut down the economy for 6 months, except for essentials, and pay for food and accommodation for idled workers*, and wait until we have a vaccine.

    * the US treasury and Fed - with some minor legislative changes - can issue the currency required to pay for food and accommodation for the unemployed, without causing inflation, because there will be no extra (excess) demand on these already existing resources; while production and sale of non-essentials will be temporarily idled.

    So we don't have to rush back to dead end jobs like producing junk (grog, tobacco, sugar beverages, junk food) and driving trucks to transport it, and other junk we don't need.

    [….a glimpse of the future, when machines will be producing and delivering most goods and services]
     
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    what do you consider free market, me being able to self prescribe, having a ex-doctor being able to practice without a license?

    the government requires you to get permission for medication, that means the government should help fund getting that permission - otherwise people can ask for advice from a doctor if they want and self prescribe
     
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    Absolutely. That's what liberty means: Deciding for yourself how to live your life. Government licensing is the greatest scam ever invented. It makes Bernie Madoff look like a cheap street pickpocket.
     
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    so if the people rise up against becoming slaves they are bad people?

    if they work for slave wages, they choose too and have no one to blame but themselves?

    I think there is an in-between that is a better option, you are only seeing the extremes

    the corps can pay employees a living wage...

    the right likes to attack people for going on strike... but that is them making a choice

    Trump called for a revolution in 2012 as he thought Obama won with less votes
     
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    ok, I agree with you that we should all be able to self prescribe, so let's end the war on drugs, end the prescription system and make everything OTC

    like I said though, if we have to ask a doctor for permission, the gov should help fund us asking for such permission

    doctors should be there for advice when needed, not as the gate keepers for drugs
     
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    Slave wages are like square circles, purple zebras, the Immaculate Conception, and God—they don’t exist.

    Furthermore, how is free trade among the free, slavery? Do concepts have no reality for you?

    Capitalism Plans for Pandemics, Governments Can’t.
     
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