Trump Backs Dismissal of USS Roosevelt Captain

Yes Trump help make sure he could get his pension...so? The post I was respondng to said he got to stay in the Navy. That's not true. It also said he was a murderer...which isn't true either.

 

So either Trump controls the Navy or he doesn't. This suggests he does.

 

When did anyone suggest he isn’t the CnC of the navy?

and what does that have to do with the low that the guy is a murderer or still in the navy?

 

the man breached security protocols. firing is the right thing to do.. I hope he and his men beat the virus and come home safe. but breaching security is wrong.

 

Previous in the thread.

And not sure, but I think it was over the differences in how Bergdahl was treated by the Navy and Trump.

 

Funny coincidence in all of this

"The irony of this is insane. Captain Crozier served on the USS Theodore Roosevelt. He wrote a letter that was later leaked to implore for his men to be taken off his ship to be quarantined. As a result he was punished and attacked by a Secretary of administration.

Why is this ironic?

In 1898. Theodore Roosevelt did the same thing. During the war in Cuba, Roosevelt wrote a letter to the press to change public opinion to demand the Secretary of War reverse his position and allow sick soldiers with malaria and yellow fever to be returned to the United States to be quarantined. It worked. Troops with the disease were quartined on Long Island and probably saved hundreds of lives. Roosevelt later was put up for the medal of honor which was then rejected by the same Secretary of War."

 

Wasn’t me that claimed it

 

Good to know.

 

Trump is the "Commander in Chief" of the military. That includes the Navy. Having the virus break out on a ship & get so bad there are already over 100 active cases BEFORE anything gets done about it, reflects badly on the President & the Sec of Defense. Trump has a history of firing anyone who does anything to make him or his administration look bad--even a little. The thing that makes Trump look really bad is firing the captain of a ship for doing whatever necessary to save the lives of his crew. Those kinds of captains are normally regarded as HEROS. Trump (or his misfits) fires them. That makes Trump & his administration appear to care little for the lives of our military personnel, but a lot about Trump's public image.

 

Trump did a little bit of a Backtrack on the Navy guy in the briefing today not to the point of saying he should be reinstated or anything like that but he didn't want to destroy his career over this.

I think that was a good statement to make.

 

The left is all about telling you a story, but never THE story.

 

I agree, but being relieved of command pretty much destroyed his career. I’m sure some job could be found to finish out his years then retire, but his glory days are behind him now.

 

he's been around long enough to understand chain of command, exposing the ships lack of readiness, and the potential repercussions.

I probably would have done the same thing but I'm a civilian so the procedures and why they are in place havent been beaten into my brain for 30 yrs.

 

He tested positive for Covid. Trump didn't backtrack he simply backed off. Its unseemly to attack sick people...

 

Again how does this virus on a Navy ship make Trump look bad?
Next question is do you honestly think it's just this one ship? You don't think our entire military is suffering this?
The Captain telegraphed weakness to potential enemies and what he did deserves court martial in my opinion and he is getting off easy because of these PC snowflakes times we live in.

 

With this pandemic recruiting is drawing to a standstill. A lot of troops, airmen, and sailors may have to be held over for their full six-year commitment, or huge bonuses paid to new recruits to get them in.

 

In a leaked audio recording, the Navy Secretary slammed Capt. Brett Crozier for being so stupid. How could he not know that memo would be leaked!?!?!?

The Secretary has not yet attacked himself for the leaked audio recording of him slamming Crozier, for which he must apologize now. LOL!

 

It's actually much MUCH worse than that..

This numbnuts FLIES 8K miles to GUAM (during a pandemic) to personally address the crew of a ship with well over 100 reported cases of COVID.

SNIP
On Monday, Modly flew out to Guam and addressed the crew of the carrier Theodore Roosevelt on his recent decision to relieve the commanding officer, Capt. Brett Crozier,

“Acting Secretary Modly’s decision to address the sailors on the Roosevelt and personally attack Captain Crozier shows a tone-deaf approach more focused on personal ego than one of the calm, steady leadership we so desperately need in this crisis,” Smith said in a statement Monday evening. “I no longer have confidence in Acting Secretary Modly’s leadership of the Navy and believe he should be removed from his position.”
ENDSNIP

https://www.defensenews.com/2020/04...ks-as-key-lawmakers-call-for-his-resignation/

This guy shouldn't be secretary of my HOA, much less ACTING SecNav.... I don't really WISH COVID on anybody, but if I were to start, I might start here... Karma would be having a great day....

 

Acting Navy Secretary Quits After Calling Carrier Captain Stupid

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/acting-navy-secretary-quits-calling-195648421.html

Well, good..that's only appropriate.... now he needs to get himself in self-quarantine after his Guam trip.

And I officially retract my statement above about him and COVID.

Why is it people working for the Trump administration, even on a ACTING basis, cannot behave like normal adults??

The old maxim continues to be true - Everything Trump touches Dies... especially careers...

 

1. Trump has consistently been a strong supporter of the military in the eye of the public. Having the virus infect 100 crewmen on one naval vessel BEFORE anything of substance was done about it, could create doubt in the public mind about how serious or honest Trump was being in his personal support of the military. Trump is very sensitive about how his public image fares.
2. No, I don't think only one ship is affected. That's another reason this issue deserves public attention.
3. We're not in a wartime situation. What the captain did, showing his personal concerns for the health & well-being of his crew was precisely he right thing to do. How would allowing any of them to die achieve anything or benefit anyone?

 

Bottom line is the Captain went outside the chain of command not to mention alerted adversaries as to the lessened state of readiness of his ship which actually endangered his crew.

 

This is really what it boils down to.

The ship is on active duty in the Far East. You don't put your entire ship at risk by sending messages that are not secure.

 

If we were in a war right now, I'd be more inclined to agree with you, but we're not. And, in peacetime, the most important concern for any captain of any ship should be the safety & lives of his crew. I stand with the captain.

 

I say get the captain and crew healthy and worry about the rest of it months down the road..



In the mean time congress should award the Medal of Honor to Claire Lee Chennault. It's 75 years overdue.

 

And speaking of that Guam trip, did anybody see the bill for this BOZO's trip, exclusively to yell at the crew of a United States ship?

$243,000

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-acting-navy-secretarys-trip-014058696.html

On the Donald Trump Corruption Scale (DTCS) of 1-10, I suppose that only pulls about a 2.3, but surely somebody needs to be held responsible for this.

That's a $1200 relief check for over 200 people, to put it in context...