Right-Wing Tricksters Want to Discredit Academia by Recording Zoom Classes

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  1. Mushroom

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    Are they supposed to instruct in a prescribed curriculum, or simply pontificate on their own beliefs?

    Just the reason that you put "facts" in quotations means you do not really care about such, beliefs are what you care about more. And likely so long as they match your beliefs. You continue to avoid answering, you continue to skirt around and never say if it is wrong, so I can only assume you agree with them teaching their own beliefs is a good thing in your mind. Therefore there really is nothing to talk about here.

    You are purely a political matter, and nothing else matters to you apparently because you can not give a simple straight answer, you just argue incessantly and commit to nothing. Therefore there really is nothing more to say.
     
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    They're out in with free class. Hell I just finished a Chemistry class that was from UC Iverne and Yale on YouTube. To say you can't record them w/o their permission, not 100% true. If it is a two party state, you can record w or w/o permission. On top of that, if you have a learning disability, you can record w/ or w/o permission.
     
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    If I put facts in quotation marks, it is in the vain hope that you will stop abusing the English language and open up a book on the basics of arguing and why definitions matter. For had you done so, you would have seen the trap already set when you framed the issue as such. When a professor creates a syllabus, are they not making an opinion on what is important to teach that semester? My philosophy professors only assigned analytic philosophers. I did not read works by people such as Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Arendt, and Habermas. Was it not in the opinion of my professors that they were less important than people like Rorty and Russell?

    Now let’s assume your command of argument is strong enough to understand what I just asked you. My professors gave an expert opinion on what is valuable to teach. When they help us understand the arguments, are they not indoctrinating us in ways to think about the world? My Ancient Greek philosophy professor told us that, unlike the limited grasp of arguing you have demonstrated, Socrates was an able debater. We know this because the Apology is the best account for what happened at his trial. Though perhaps like Socrates when you lose you seem to demand the finer things in life like a spoiled child,and not an enlightened thinker. Is that not his opinion, or is it a fact? For you claim I dance around and espouse politics, I do not mind that. For I command the flow of power in this conversation, and leave you with nothing but ruined machinations.
     
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    Thanks Mushroom!
     
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    That is your issue.. You come here not argue not discuss or debate.. You hide your lack of knowledge behind blatant arrogance and insulting the other party.

    Do you really think you are "enlightened" with the above post?
     
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    Pretty much yeah. Are you going to respond to the argument professors make opinions on what is important to teach when they make a syllabus or not?
     
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    You think the lectures are copyrighted?
     
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    If it involves the topic and has some basis in fact then sure..

    Teaching American History and then spending a week on "white Privelge"..

    No..
     
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    Do you see how you keep skirting around the issue of what a fact is, and when it's relevant? Or more importantly what ideological purity you rely on when determining what is acceptable to teach?
     
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    No.. You are pushing thoughts onto people all to make it easier for you to "argue" as you put it.
     
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    Welcome to how to argue 101.

    Force people to think by controlling the flow of language. When you control the definitions you can make your points much easier to do. Very common tactic, an extension of Reduction to Absurdity. It's why I've been asking you to define the word "fact", and you have been nitpicking details. I can attack your definition of it by showing it doesn't fit in with the reality of being a professor, and replace it with one that makes my point easier to make. Likewise if you can undermine one small detail, you can make broader claims about my argument without actually touching it.
     
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    Then they should call the police and press charges. Good luck with that.:yawn:
     
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    I discuss.. You argue.. Goodbye...

    Claim victory if you feel better.. I just see it as wasted time and energy at this point.
     
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    You may wish to consider a future in agriculture if you want to keep cherry picking. It’s pretty hard to discuss when you dodge points you don’t like left and right. There was no victory in talking to you, only a lesson.
     
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    And what if your fabulous Ancient Greek Philosophy Professor then went into a 15 minute rant on how President Obama was abusing his power of Executive Privilege by using them to work around Congress?

    This is the very thing we are talking about. Are you fine with them doing that, and diverting into matter that does not apply to the course, and instead is their personal beliefs? Myself, I am not, that is not what they are paid to do.

    But that's OK, I do not expect you to answer, instead you will simply go on another attack, and avoid ever answering the topic.

    And no, I do not argue, I debate. I make clear points based upon a subject, and then leave an opening for the other side to make their own points. You, you argue. And long ago this descended into a very old Monty Python script. And I actually have rather enjoyed it, to be honest.

    Because in an honest debate, individuals debate the subject, and not each other. With clear points, and then challenge the other to confirm or deny their claims, and why. Those who "argue" simply go over and over "no-no-no, you are wrong", or avoid answering anything at all and try to pontificate on how great they are.

    Well, I bet at least quite a few can read our interactions, and tell which one is debating, and which is arguing just to argue without a real point to be made.
     
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    You mean like the time he went into application of Ancient Greek philosophy to the modern day? We actually had a forum on this when discussing American democracy and comparing it to the Greeks. It was a really interesting talk when you learned how to engage with the ideas. If you want a more personal response I was part of an organization accused of racism, and I figured out why we were considered racist by asking the people accusing us of it. So don't try that with me. Or is not being able to understand another person's debate and pontificating what you think it is part of how you argue?

    So you communicate a fear, even though that fear is only a small part of what is being risked. Very interesting.You never did define what a fact was. Was it because you couldn't, or your fear wouldn't let you? Are you scared of Academia?

    Sweetie, the right words at the right time are what is needed, that is why I argue. To make you confront your argument style. I have made points that relate to actual concerns. If you publish recordings from a class, that can interfere with the publication process because you can't have a double blind review board if the review board has seen unpublished work discussed in a class. That's actually a pretty serious concern, one you haven't, nor I suspect could respond to. You haven't debated honestly, if anything you spend 2/3 of your posts insulting me, and 1/3 repeating the same claim. If you don't like how I post, is it because of me, or is it because of how you argue? Make no mistake, your arguments are terrible because they're the same claim over and over again.
     
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    That tends to happen when you can't respond to a post.
     
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    Is why I finally gave up. She makes no sense, and just goes in circles insulting everybody and bouncing all over the place. And never answering anything.

    Waste of time, which is why I rarely venture down into this area of the forum. And she stated herself that she argues. Which is something I find completely pointless.
     
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    When I told you professors teach their own unpublished material, you didn't respond to it. I said that it's important to teach that because it's useful for students to see that part of the process. Then I connected it to publication. If a professor can't publish then that impacts their ability to do their job, or get tenure. This isn't a stretch but a serious potential consequence of being allowed to film professors unmitigated in the class which the OP is about. You haven't responded to that claim. When I say my pronouns are she/her, you ignored what I wrote in favor of a narrow interpretation of a post. Did you even apologize for misgendering me? Am I incapable of debating, or am I arguing with someone who hasn't shown respect to my position or who I am?
     
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    Going off on a political tangent in a creative writing class for example is of absolutely no importance at all to the subject at hand.

    How in the hell is an instructor going on based on "unpublished material" of any use in a lecture about music?

    And do you know what the word for "unpublished" is? Worthless.

    The only useful part of that in the "process" is in showing how worthless higher education has become.

    Like this debate.

    Goodbye.
     
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    Bye!
     

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