The scheme Trump intends to pull off, to get him reelected. Hydrocloroquine

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  1. david gullikson

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    Trump secured MILLIONS of doses of the NAME BRAND, expensive NONgeneric.
     
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    "According to Trump’s financial disclosure, he owns between $1,000 - $15,000 of Dodge & Cox fund.

    Dox & Cox’s fund has 2.9% of its money in Sanofi.

    Trump owns 2.9% of btw $1,000 - $15,000.

    Trump owns $29 to $435 of stock.

    lol NYT didn't think anyone would do the math."

    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1247390575277608960

    No telling how many million Americans have a bit of Sanofi indirectly through mutual funds and pension funds. And iirc Trump's words regarding worsening corona patients and the hydroxychloroquine Zpak cocktail were, "I'd love to do a two-year study, but we've got hours, not years." And "What do you have to lose?"
     
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    I trust my doctor. I don't have to trust Trump or you.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump is motivated by self interest for sure. We all are. He wants to be re-elected, that's true. But you've invented this story that his intent is inspired by a malevolent desire to trick you into doing that. Conservatives held that same narrative about Obama. Did you believe that about him too?
     
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    That's the way a great many people feel in this country. They aren't projecting, they are deeply concerned and very disappointed. You may not agree, as is your right. Just as it is your right to believe other presidents before - or some who may come in future - are ******** on our country.
     
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    Doctors prescribe the name brand drugs that are advertised, to SHUT UP their clients, it has been proven. Doctors, when a person is begging for their life, and they THINK piss will cure them, are likely to prescribe piss, as they are human.
     
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    Just pointing out that the first guy Trump used as an example as being "saved" by this drug had a severe bout with tachycardia while taking the drug (common side effect) and while it might have been helpful (doctors are split on whether the virus as just running it's natural progression) there might be permanent damage to the guy's heart structure that may shorten his life in the long run. Just say'n, this drug shouldn't be taken at home, especially if you have high blood pressure.
     
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    Trump has ADMITTED, he is a cheerleader, not one to tell the truth. He said that he lied, to help the stock market etc, but was STILL restricting Chinese from coming here. He lies, that is his job, SAID BY HIM.
     
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    agree, trust the experts, not Trump or me, Trump us just trying to claim credit for someone elses work as usual

    and get a 2nd opinion if you think your doctor is not trust worthy

    the point of the post was though, that Trump doesn't trust himself, or he woudl already be taking it
     
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    The characters in your mind are one dimensional. People are much more complex then that. Some doctors do what you say. Some don't. In fact, I'd say that most don't. Your model of what doctors do is too simplistic. That point can be expanded to say that your model of Republicans and Democrats is also too simplistic.
     
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    80% of all illnesses resolve themselves. So, whatever thing you did right before it got better, is likely to be what you credit as a cure. It is also what hucksters depend on.
     
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    Most likely Trump has no symptoms just like me, and is taking vitamin C and garlic.

    You got to be corona positive and exhibit worsening corona symptoms before you beg your physician for the hydroxychloroquine Zpak cocktail, and hope he/she will prescribe it for you. It is most unlikely, but not impossible, that you can get it outside of the hospital setting.
     
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    Truth is not absolute, it USUALLY deals with averages. Demanding absolutes, is a tactic of refutation of the truths you don't like.

    This is called the devils choice. Spout truths that are generalities, and apply widely, or specific truths that are not very relevant.
     
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    As a young ER doctor you know that to be straight out BS. This is a generic drug, been approved in the US for 65 years, is available everywhere with a doctor's prescription, and is number 128 on the list of most prescribed drugs in America. Why do you worry about it in the first place, you will never allow it to be given to you so why all the fuss?
     
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    Trump is LYING EVERY night, holding press conferences, that DO NOT INFORM, they allow him an opportunity to revise history, and get him face time, that BIDEN does not.
     
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    Do you think that the name brand STOPS being made JUST because the drug has a generic equivalent?

    Plaquenil is a brand name of hydroxychloroquine, approved by the FDA in the following formulation(s): PLAQUENIL (hydroxychloroquine sulfate - tablet;oral)
    Generic Plaquenil Availability - Drugs.com
    www.drugs.com/availability/generic-plaquenil.html




    Brand-name Plaquenil is made by sanofi-aventis. However, it has come off patent and is now available as a generic.
    Generic Plaquenil - Antibiotics Home Page
    antibiotics.emedtv.com/plaquenil/generic-plaquenil.html


    Further, mfgs usually REPATENT a drug, when it is OKed for an OFF LABEL USE. Thereby making it able to stop generics for another nine years.
     
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    Yeah, and the average person is not you, with a pacemaker. So when Trump says a certain medication may be helpful he's not talking about you.
     
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    David, I think it is long past time for me to continue to discuss this silliness with you. Time for a long walk outside in the fresh air.
    Have a better day.
    BTW, your caps lock key on your keyboard is still getting stuck.
     
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    it does have side effect, but that is not the point, the point is... does it work or not... think we would know by now, what is the hold up, many sick people to test on
     
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    It's an antique drug that the FDA first gave approval to in 1955.

    "The wholesale cost in the developing world was about US$4.65 per month as of 2015, when used for rheumatoid arthritis or lupus.[35] In the United States the wholesale cost of a month of treatment is about US$25 as of 2020.[36] In the United Kingdom this dose costs the National Health Service about £5.15" (Wiki)

    imo it's not something anyone is going to jump on their Ninja for and ride as fast as they can to their broker to talk it over and put in a buy order. The patent on hydroxy chloroquine has long expired and the brand names have little pricing power over the generics.

    It's a long, hard, excruciating process to do the research and be granted a patent.

    Once there is a vaccine there will most likely be little interest in hydroxychloroquine. It's a stopgap measure being used in a real bad pinch.
     
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    The cost for Plaquenil oral tablet 200 mg is around $1,100 for a supply of 100 tablets

    Trump ordered many hundreds of million doses, so he is intending to dose EVERYONE or at least the health workers, on a prophylactic basis, using the NAME BRAND.
     
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    Even if that is true that is much cheaper than a ventilator.

    Looks like India has the upper hand and is taking full advantage like they should.
     
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    if the people getting the drug do not need a ventilator, is that true though, do not know that is confirmed
     
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    You need to change doctors.
     
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    There are multiple companies that make this drug no doubt as old as it is there exists one or more generic forms of the drug. Own stock in a company doesn't necessarily mean you make a ton a money.
     
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