Corona Virus Update

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    If number of deaths increasing 20% daily then that is not flattening!
     
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  2. AFM

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    On 3/20 Germany had 68 deaths and ~4500 cases. On 3/20 the UK had 177 deaths and ~4000 cases. On 3/23 the UK had 335 deaths and ~ 6650 cases. The UK went to full lockdown on 3/23 mostly due to the Imperial College warning. Those are the numbers.

    And it certainly is possible to go through the same numbers for every country but on a first order analysis there is no correlation with the start of lockdown and the number of cases/deaths resulting. Norway is planning on opening up their economy as are the Czech Republic, Austria, and Denmark. Sweden's daily new case numbers appear to have peaked with no full lock down. We will see what happens.
     
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    Deaths are the result of "new" cases from 2 weeks prior. The metric used to determine if an infection rate is flattening/peaking is the daily number of new cases.
     
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    The daily number of new cases is directly linked to how many tests are done. Sweden has tested just 54000 people
     
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    There is evidence that the number of deaths in Wuhan is ~ 50,000 based on the number of urns delivered to Wuhan mortuaries and the observed 2 month continuous running of Wuhan crematories. Don't believe the Red Chinese who are responsible for this global pandemic. The University of South Hampton in the UK has done a study which estimates a 95% reduction in global deaths had China acted when warned by Li Wenliang.

    https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-deaths-03272020182846.html
     
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    New cases are those people reporting to a doctor with symptoms and testing positive. That's going down as testing is going up.
     
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  7. nopartisanbull

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    At some point, every foreign government, both leaders and health officials were telling their citizens that the "the risk of an outbreak was low".

    HOWEVER, our CDC/"our best minds", should be blamed for initially distributing a faulty testing kit. Therefore, a late start/delays may have cost us at least 2 Covid19 doubling time, thus, at its peak, highly significant.
     
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    Leaders make policies based on medical advice. Trump actually enacted the travel ban proactively but again with the medical advisors still believing that the Corona virus was similar to the SARS outbreak and that human to human transfer was not possible. And that is all attributable to the Red Chinese who could have saved 95% of the lives lost by acting 3 weeks earlier.
     
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    Leadership in a pandemic, adaptability and resiliency INDEX

    Top five best governments;

    1. Hong Kong
    2. South Korea
    3. Taiwan
    4. New Zealand
    5. British Columbia, Canada

    John Hopkins' most prepared countries to handle a pandemic…..Horse ****!
     
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    The top three are very close to Red China and most likely knew the truth about what was going on in Red China. Our medical experts believed the sanitized and dishonest Chinese data and did not alert the US to the highly contagious nature of Covid 19.
     
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    It's possible.
     
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    Quote: The top three are very close to Red China and most likely knew the truth about what was going on in Red China


    Stanford Health Policy researcher Jason Wang

    Taiwan.....

    "They were testing on December 31. As soon as they heard there were suspicious cases of a new type of virus, they were nervous. They were like, “Oh, we wonder if this is SARS again.” And so they were proactive. I think that’s the way we ought to treat these kinds of epidemics. It’s okay to be overly cautious."

    https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/...oronavirus-china-social-distancing-quarantine

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    NOTE: British Columbia's health officials ALSO wondered if this is SARS again, and by January 21st, 7 days prior to their first confirmed case, they were ready for mass testing, no delays, and no flaws.
     
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    Curious. Our medical experts also thought it was SARS but did nothing to alarm Trump or the nation. They stated in January that the US had nothing to worry about and in mid February that the effect on the US would be miniscule.
     
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    Or,

    Perhaps Trump didn't take the virus, and several warnings seriously, however, the bottom line is;

    "One would think that after its experiences with SARS, swine flu and Ebola the CDC would have been ready".

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevef...vid-19-scandal-and-incompetence/#5434b9dd2e7a
     
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    Hmm.

    On 23 JAN, the WHO said that the Wuhan coronavirus does not yet constitute a public health emergency of international concern.
    On 31 JAN, Trump closed travel from China. He was called a racist and xenophobe.

    What warnings?
    Absent the benefit of hindsight, what should he have done, and why?
     
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    Why did he call it a hoax? Why did he say is like the flu? Why did he say it would magically go away?

    He didn't get serious about this until last week. The ONLY thing he did was ban some flights from China; not all, some. And by then it was already here.
     
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    Ah.
    You can't answer the questions I asked.
    Thanks.
     
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    You seriously are incapable of understanding my response? LOL! Those are your answers. He trivialized it and dismissed the threat. The ONLY thing he did was stop some flights from China when it was already here.

    He didn't start taking it seriously until last week when the experts finally got it through his thick head that this is damn serious.
     
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    Like you, I fully understand you cannot provide meaningful answers to the questions I asked.
    Your response to this post will prove the above statement true, beyond any reasonable doubt.
     
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    At a campaign rally in South Carolina, Trump proudly displayed the John Hopkin's most prepared countries to handle a pandemic, U.S. ranked # 1.

    2 weeks later....

    Trump; "I inherited a broken system, and frankly, a terrible system"

    Yep, that's Trump!
     
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    Agreed. What is clear and what I don’t understand is why our medical experts were not concerned because they assumed from the Red Chinese incomplete data that Corona was like SARS.
     
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    That’s Trump realizing the truth about the system that Johns Hopkins ranked #1.
     
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    You have a valid point.
     
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    I added a few more points to your timeline:

    On 23 JAN, the WHO said that the Wuhan coronavirus does not yet constitute a public health emergency of international concern.
    On 30 JAN, the WHO declares the coronavirus a public health emergency of international concern.
    On 31 JAN, Trump closed travel from China. He was called a racist and xenophobe.
    On 28 FEB, Trump says: "It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear."
    On 9 MAR, Trump tweets: "So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!"
    On 11 MAR, the White House suspends travel from most European countries, as the WHO declares a global pandemic.
    On 16 MAR, asked about his repeated comments saying the situation was "under control," Trump says: "If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world. I was talking about what we’re doing is under control, but I’m not talking about the virus."

    The Trump administration downplayed the situation for one and a half months after the WHO declared this outbreak a public health emergency of international concern. That's a long time of unhindered exponential spread of the virus. The US had the advantage of being late to the party, but squandered that valuable extra time to respond.

    Ramping up testing early and tracking cases would have been awesome. Public acknowledgement of the seriousness of the issue and advising states to implement social distancing measures would have been good options.

    Downplaying the pandemic was almost the worst possible option available to Trump. Even saying or doing nothing would have been better. It wasn't too hard to predict that what happened in China or Italy was about to happen in the US too if no measures were taken.

    Was it possible to do worse than Trump in this situation? Yes, but it would have required effort.
     
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    And -I'll- add a few more:

    December 31, 2019 - Cases of pneumonia detected in Wuhan, China, are first reported to the WHO. During this reported period, the virus is unknown. The cases occur between December 12 and December 29, according to Wuhan Municipal Health.
    January 1, 2020 - Chinese health authorities close the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market after it is discovered that wild animals sold there may be the source of the virus.
    January 5, 2020 - China announces that the unknown pneumonia cases in Wuhan are not SARS or MERS. In a statement, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission says a retrospective probe into the outbreak has been initiated.
    January 7, 2020 - CDC established a COVID-19 Incident Management System
    January 7, 2020 -
    Chinese authorities confirm that they have identified the virus as a novel coronavirus, initially named 2019-nCoV by the WHO.
    January 11, 2020 - The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission announces the first death caused by the coronavirus. A 61-year-old man, exposed to the virus at the seafood market, died on January 9 after respiratory failure caused by severe pneumonia.
    January 13, 2020 - Thai authorities report a case of infection caused by the coronavirus. The infected individual is a Chinese national who had arrived from Wuhan.
    January 16, 2020 - Japanese authorities confirm that a Japanese man who traveled to Wuhan is infected with the virus.
    January 17, 2020 - Chinese health officials confirm that a second person has died in China. The United States responds to the outbreak by implementing screenings for symptoms at airports in San Francisco, New York and Los Angeles.
    January 20, 2020 - CDC activated its Emergency Operations Center to better provide support to the COVID-19 response.
    January 20, 2020 -
    China reports 139 new cases of the sickness, including a third death.
    January 20, 2020 - The National Institutes of Health announces that it is working on a vaccine against the coronavirus. "The NIH is in the process of taking the first steps towards the development of a vaccine," says Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
    You avoided the questions. I'll ask again:
    What warnings?
    Absent the benefit of hindsight, what should he have done, and why?
     
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