Us AR-15 the perfect gun ??

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Unsupportable nonsense - as usual.
     
  2. Levant

    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're kidding, right? Joe with Aegis Tactical? I gave you actual statute that proves I'm right and your response is a random Internet bozo? You don't know when to quit, do you?

    Do you know the rules of gun safety, Mr. firearms instructor? When you put the gun down with the chamber open, is it unloaded? No. When transferring a gun you verify that the gun is unloaded, including no magazine. What would happen if the slide release got bumped while you pick it up and there was a "LOADED" magazine in the gun? Or if the gun was dropped and there was a "LOADED" magazine in the gun? For a revolver, you empty the cylinder, not just the one under the hammer or next in rotation to the hammer.. Are you seriously suggesting that you teach unsuspecting newbies that they don't need to remove the magazine or empty the cylinder when unloading a gun for transfer? When you are hunting and you cross a fence, do you empty your gun or just not one in the chamber? Unloading your weapon includes removing all rounds, not just the one in the chamber.

    I'm done with you on the loaded question unless you want to open a new thread and we can debate it all you want. The question here, based on a misuse of the word clip by the OP in post #1, is about whether the AR uses a clip. Chopped Liver could have simply said "Magazine instead of Clip" - that's on topic from post 1. Instead, he made the claim that several guns use clips to load magazines and that the AR does not... Since it was in response to post #1, his comment is on topic. I simply stated that the AR-15 does use a clip in exactly the same way as all those others that ChoppedLiver mentioned. I assume that he made a simple mistake from not having experienced clips with an AR. I've had to prove it beyond any reasonable doubt of any reasonably intelligent person, which is far more than should have been required except for your desire to just start an argument - one you've already lost but just don't know it.

    You've twisted this so far around your ego that now you're talking about whether I know that a gun shouldn't be loaded and how to assume it is safe and a discussion about the definition of loaded - this is all because you lost the original argument and, in a series of red-herrings of which any leftist would have been proud, you've twisted the discussion into something else. If you want to talk about whether an AR uses a clip to load a magazine, I'm happy to continue. If you want to discuss loaded, take it to a new thread because I'm not going to participate in your attempt to bury the original discussion in smelly fish.
     
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  3. ChoppedLiver

    ChoppedLiver Well-Known Member

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    Can you put a "clip" in the AR-15 and load the magazine?
    The M1 Garand uses a clip different than all the rest of the firearms I listed.

    Is that so, so hard for you to understand?
     
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    How old are you?
     
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  5. Levant

    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can you load an AR magazine with a clip? Can you load magazines for all of the guns you mentioned with a clip? Why not just admit you were wrong when you explicitly excluded the AR from the list of guns that use clips to load magazines? It's OK to be wrong.

    Of course it's not hard to understand. I conceded that the M1 uses a clip differently from all the rest. That's what men do when they make a mistake; they own it. Still, like all the rest, including the AR, you can load the magazine of an M1 with a clip and, like an M1 or any other gun in your list, you CAN load an AR magazine with a clip.

    Loading the magazine of any of them, including the M1, doesn't put a round in the chamber. After the magazine is loaded, the bolt closes and puts one in the chamber. I also learned about Garand Thumb today. You can be reckless and let loading the magazine trigger closing the bolt and risk your thumb but, even then, the act of loading the magazine triggers closing the bolt and putting one in the chamber but it is still a separate action. Loading the magazine ends when the magazine is loaded. Starting my car ends when the engine is started. I can leave the key in the START position and burn up my starter and strip my flywheel, but the car is already started.

    The AR-15 uses a clip to load the magazine. How hard is that for you to admit?

    I was honest enough to admit that I was wrong about it being loaded manually.... You should be as honest in your argument and just admit you made a mistake. You and that other guy are simply latching onto any technicality you can, no matter how absurd, to try to win the argument against Levant.

    I'm honored that you both view besting me in a debate as such a worthwhile objective, that you see your own self worth in whether you can do so. Perhaps some day, in some other debate, you will. In this one, you're wrong.. Both of you. Get over it.
     
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    Jesus!

    Can you put a "clip" in the top of an AR-15 and load the magazine JUST LIKE you can put a clip in the top of a SKS and load the magazine or JUST LIKE you can put a clip in the top of a 1903 Springfield and load the magazine or JUST LIKE you can put a clip in the top of an Enfield and load the magazine?

    And the M1-Garand uses a clip totally different than ALL of the rest listed so that's just a good laugh when reading your ignorant and uneducated post.

    And BTW... California compliant, so called, AR-15's are also firearms that we who know firearms just laugh at as well. They're not what we are talking about.
     
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  7. Levant

    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In your first post, you said nothing at all about putting a clip in the top of the gun to load the magazine, did you? You're digging for technicalities to keep from simply admitting you made a mistake. It says a lot about your character.
     
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    I didn't write a book. I made a post. I did not put in all the various details in that one simple post that you seem to require. That speaks VOLUMES about your character.

    You were WRONG! when you said, "ChoppedLiver listed a few other guns that use clips in the same way - to load magazines" as they aren't all loaded in the same way AND I wasn't refering to loading magazines. AR-15's are NOT THE SAME as using a clip attached to a SKS, 1903, or an Enfield. Can you produce a video or link that shows a magazine that is loaded with a clip that's not attached to a 1903 or an Enfield? Can you produce a video or link that shows a magazine loaded with a clip on a SKS that is the same as loading an attached magazine on a AR-15? You can't. It's O.K. to be WRONG!.
    After reading my post (#12) that you got in such a twist about, those that KNOW about firearms and have been around firearms for some time wouldn't raise an issue about what I posted. That's where GOOGLE dot com was your friend in your decerebrate* quest to make an argument out of nothing. Most posting in this thread except you and the lead poster seem to know something about firearms and actually know what I was referring to without even having to use Google. Firearm enthusiasts know who doesn't have a decent education on the subject and it's easy to weed out the know-nothings.
    Sometimes we just laugh. Like we're doing now.
    Hell, you can't even answer the question(s) I posted in post #56. Well, you can. But, if you could actually answer them correctly, that would just prove you WRONG yet again.

    *And, before you get in a twist again, decerebrate, used as an adjective, means, "Lacking intelligence or reason".
     
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  9. Levant

    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You changed the game, mid-stream. If you are going to move the goalposts every time someone challenges what you say then you can never lose, can you?
     
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    You are the only one moving the goal posts, you lack any amount of training when it comes to the AR platform in particular and firearms in general.

    Time to admit it you are wrong.
     
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    You berate another poster yet you say (After Googling it, of course) THIS...
    ...and then Googling on to say...
    ... where you ONLY used part (b) but left out part (a) which states...
    That means (In case you didn't get it the first time, which I suspect you didn't) that if you can load a firearm with readily accessible unspent ammunition (That is the correct ammunition for the firearm in your immediate possession)* , the firearm in your possession is therefore deemed loaded. People will go to PRISON listening to and following YOUR advice that you ignorantly neglected to inform them (and us in this group) as to that (California) fact. But, then again, by not leaving that out would negate all of your previous babble about what determines if a gun is loaded or not since you used the California definition of what determines what is loaded is or isn't loaded as a base for your baseless (And worthless) argument.
    You were WRONG! again and have a pattern of being wrong as this thread (and possibly others) has shown. Your arrogance in being wrong is staggering.The problem is not being wrong, it's not even not knowing when you're wrong. Experienced firearm enthusiasts KNOW what I was talking about in my first (and subsequent) posts and would KNOW that it would be pitiful AT BEST to argue them.
    Again, how old are you and what is your ACTUAL HANDS ON experience with firearms?

    *(I had to throw that in because I wouldn't want you to bring up and endlessly argue that point. From reading your endless ignorant babble on the subject, you might make an argument like, "Hey Man! If the dude has a gun but the bullets he has doesn't fit that gun, then it isn't deemed loaded." "So you now have to admit that you're wrong by saying 'bullets in the immediate possession makes a firearm considered to be loaded' 'cuz that isn't ALWAYS the case, man!")
     
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    Here's why.

     
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    ChoppedLiver Well-Known Member

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    Shut him the **** up, eh?
     
  14. Levant

    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, he didn't shut me up. I proved he's wrong and he keeps coming back with random no-name Internet/YouTube warriors. Honestly, I'm through with you both, here and anywhere else... I seriously question your IQs, estimating them to be under 60. Neither are worth the time and trouble to continue this debate over clips loading magazines..
     
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    ChoppedLiver Well-Known Member

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    We accept your clumsy and utter defeat.

    Try knowing what your talkin' about before you post next time, M'kay?
     
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    All you proved is you know nothing about guns and or gun safety.

    Time to man up and admit you where wrong.

    The guy in the video is a Florida recognized certified instructor in rifle, handgun, shotgun, home defense, and has certified a few dozen HPD officers and countless citizens so they could pull their Florida CCL's.
     
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    Strippers-designed to rapidly reload MAGAZINES
     
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    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Put that in a Google search..
     
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    Nice, but those GI mags are junk, I prefer Magpul.
     
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    Us AR-15 the perfect gun ??

    For some things, I suppose. It falls short of perfection as a big game or bird hunting weapon. It is great choice for a military weapon when the carry weight of the ammunition is an issue. I can think of more "perfect" arms for just about any other purpose. But they are very popular and that makes them a success, I suppose.

    My .223 firearm is a scoped bolt action rifle that I use for killing varmints on the farm. It is more accurate than a military semi auto and only one shot is required for each use. It is perfect for its purpose.
     
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    For varmint hunting one of the best calibers I ever used is the .222 Remington, tack accurate and virtually zero recoil.
     
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    Another good one. My rifle has MOA accuracy and kills varmints as dead as they can be. I don't hunt them, however, I execute them.
     
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    Many mass murderers would agree about it being the perfect gun.

    "the AR-15 is the choice of our worst mass murderers. AR-15 ammunition travels three times the speed of sound. And tonight we're going to slow that down, so you can see why the AR-15's high velocity ammo is the fear of every American emergency room....

    "This is a 9 millimeter bullet from a handgun, which we captured in slow motion. The handgun bullet traveled about 800 miles an hour..... Now look at the AR-15 round.... It's three times faster and struck with more than twice the force.... Wow. There's an enormous difference....

    "The 9 mm handgun round has a larger bullet, but this AR-15 round has more gunpowder, accelerating its velocity. Both the round and the rifle were designed in the 1950's for the military. The result was the M16 for our troops and the AR-15 for civilians....

    "There's going to be a lot more damage to the tissues, both bones, organs, whatever gets kind of even near this bullet path. The bones aren't going to just break, they're going to shatter. Organs aren't just going to tear or have bruises on them, they're going to be, parts of them are going to be destroyed."
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ar-15-used-mass-shootings-weapon-of-choice-60-minutes-2019-06-23/
     
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    Back in reality, most mass shooters use, and most deaths from mass shootings involve, handguns.

    In fact, its not until you get to the top 2 mass shootings in the US does the number of deaths from a shooter with an AR15 exceed that from a shooter with a handgun.

    Your irrational fears do not sustain a sound argument for further restrictions on the rights of the law abiding.
     
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