Are YOU ready to stop the "lock down" over Corona Virus.

and the biggest debt, Trump has spent more American tax dollars in 4 years than any other President - the right would be screaming socialism if a dem was President, the tea party would be marching in the streets

 

Trump is President, so good or bad, it lies at Trump's feet, he was the one that issued the shutdown until April 30th - and also issue the requirements to reopen thereafter

Governors will also be judged on their rolls by their state, just as the President will be judged on his roll... by the country

most states will not re-open until Trump's requirements are met, as if they do open before that, Trump will blame them if a round two

 

He's not king.... you vastly misunderstand the role of the federal government.

Sad that an idiot like Trump knows more about how the federal government's power is supposed to ne retrained than an intelligent person like yourself.

TDS is real i guess.

Trump has handedly this situation nearly perfectly, except for the bail outs...

 

Your average 'nursing home' is composed of two populations nowadays. It has your 'skilled' wing for short stays, dependant on private pay or Medicare dollars. This is where you are caring for post operative patients such as hip surgery, or heart surgery of cancer surgery or post bariatrics etc , and people who are rehabilitating from strokes, heart attacks, motor vehicle accidents, head injury etc. Here's where you have occupational therapists, physical therapists, dieticians, wound specialists and speech pathologists doing their magic to get people stronger, better, and out the door.

You have your long term wing for people who's conditions are pretty much stabilized for a new baseline, that will require nursing care and will eventually decline and probably die there. This is their 'home', and they will be on Medicaid or paying privately. Residents who's physical condition is not expected to improve with therapy, or who's cognitive status makes therapy virtually useless. Residents who have dementia, but who are too physically complicated for Memory Care with severe Diabetes renal failure patients also end up here. Stroke victims, people on tube feedings, ALS patients etc who's baseline post therapy still leaves them unsafe elsewhere end up here as well.

My point is that this mixture is utterly lethal for controlling contagions like Covid. They have people coming and going literally all the time, patients, therapists, a consultants etc into the skilled wing and because of the high acuity levels on both sides, the death rates will be very high as well. This is far the worst environment for a geriatric residents. Its worse than a hospital, a memory care setting or assisted living because of the unique nature of the work, the high staffing ratiosm and the deconditioned people that are there.

 

I had a tough time voting on this issue, but I finally voted, "No". I would have voted "Yes", to end the "shut down" but for the facts that the tests are STILL inconclusive, we STILL don't know how long a person can have it and spread it without showing any symptoms, we STILL don't know how much distance we should voluntarily maintain between people (six feet? fifteen feet? twenty-one feet? MORE?). LOTS of questions still have not been answered....

AND, on top of that, way too many people are cavalier, reckless, and STOOPID. . Oh... and the tests themselves are NOT conclusive or as accurate as they really must be in order for us to TRUST their results!

Think: Today, May 1st, the numbers of COVID virus cases in the United States is still RISING IN EIGHTEEN STATES!

 

It's hard to take you seriously. I can't believe you wrote that.

 

I am not voting, because nothing is black and white, here. A nuanced, thoughtful approach with a back out plan is the only way.

 

I agree mostly however a couple things.
1. Public health is not, nor should it be the only concern.

2. The shut down was not intended nor was it capable of keeping people from getting sick. The purpose of the shut down was to slow the rate at which people got sick to a pace at which our health care system could keep up. We never reached the point at which they were but it seemed close there for a while. People are and will continue to contract this virus no matter what we do.
Things need to open as permitted by the capabilities of our health care system.
Persons who need to not get sick due to pre existing conditions need to stay home voluntarily.

Back to point 1.
A couple things. 1. Americans have civil liberties that are more important than health concerns. What's the point in being healthy if we are no longer free? I am fully in favor iv the voluntary and temporary restrictions to those freedoms for the public good however, things need to reopen as it becomes safe to do so and that will vary by location.

Secondly there is a fringe element that wants revolution and a return to the constitutional rule of law. I am not a member of that fringe....yet, but i am sympathetic to that cause. This is a potentially dangerous situation. There is a lot of mistrust of government that is VERY warranted. The governments, federal state and local need to demonstrate trustworthiness to this fringe and the American people. Opening sectors that are safe and getting rid of needless restrictions will go a long way to soothing those tensions.

Just food for thought.

 

You make very good, accurate points, and that's part of why I had such a tough time with this poll question.

I'm very worried about where this whole thing actually goes from here, because now that the initial 'shock' of all the changes this virus has inflicted on us for two months has been experienced, what comes next could be unexpectedly worse, and uglier than hell! The economic juggernaut is only now beginning to be fully realized, and as people become desperate, they will get increasingly angry... which could turn into chaotic, civil unrest on a scale never seen in this country before. The 'race riots' of the late 1960's would be mere sideline 'annoyances' by comparison to what could happen if we see mass numbers of Americans going broke, with nothing but occasional government cash handouts and other welfare to 'tide them along'. At this point, the only thing between us and economic annihilation is a central bank churning out imaginary money by the trillions of dollars, while it 'buys' bonds and makes more 'loans' with what amounts to little but toxic-paper collateral that was already hugely 'over-leveraged' and overvalued even before the virus hit.

At some point in this worsening situation, the demand for retribution against "the bad guys" (whoever they may actually be) will get white-hot, and after that almost anything is possible, including war, with China itself.... China did indeed stupidly allow a lab-engineered, bio-weaponized virus to get out into the world, and surely CHINA IS RESPONSIBLE! But exactly how does the world make China pay...?

Hoping to avoid a doomsday confrontation with all of that, there's the very real possibility that even if the government just dialed-back nearly all restrictions in order to avoid total economic calamity, the virus could mutate even further (there are already at least 33 identified mutations -- several of which are really lethal) and rebound in full strength next autumn/winter. Thus, the businesses, factories, stores, restaurants, tourist-attractions, etc., could "open", but how many people would actually GO -- especially if there are significant, subsequent outbreaks of the mutated virus(es)?

Faced with these grim possibilities, about the only thing we can do now that makes sense is to conduct mass testing of everybody using the best methods we have, and to "reopen" -- but with many restrictions kept rather rigidly in place until we can chart our course through the next phase of this tragedy.

 

Yes, I thought in March that we were going to flatten the curve, not squash it into oblivion, as a condition of temporary closure. The hysterics want us closed indefinitely with the argument "What's the use of being free if you're dead?" while I incline to "What's the use of being alive if you aren't free?"

With reasonable precautions, we can venture out. Most of us will not be infected, most of the infected won't get sick, and most of the sick won't die. For those who do, I'm sorry.

 

Almost everyone will get infected sooner or later. Some will die.

 

A very accurate observation!

Indeed, when did we ever "flatten the curve" involving annual flu outbreaks in the United States...? They come, and they go, and we've NEVER been able to develop a 'flu-vaccine' that was ever really worth a damn. And that's why I've never had another 'flu shot' since 1976... and, interestingly enough, I've haven't had the 'flu' since then, either!

But, we must remember -- this COVID-19 virus is different! No matter what we're being told by 'the authorities' right now (hoping to avoid getting into a hot war with China), THIS virus was a lab-engineered bio-weapon... not just some annual 'flu' that wanders in and out of our winters, killing thousands of people every year like clockwork.

So -- 'social distancing' and other precautions do make sense. Especially because there are at least 33 MUTATIONS of this thing going around the planet right now, and a few of them are very lethal....

 

It must end

 

Noooooooooooo!!!!!

 

The lockdown needs to stay in effect for awhile longer. At least until May 31st. Then we can re-assess the situation.
There are still too many people dying to open the country back up. Our health is the most important thing right now.

 

Shouldn't there have been an intermediate choice in the poll? I don't want to go to a crowed mall, but I need a haircut at some point.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/man-arrested-3-times-1-day-under-cas-234137591--abc-news-topstories.html

Man arrested 3 times in 1 day under CA's coronavirus-based zero-bail policy​

Officers in Los Angeles County arrested and released a suspect three times in one day after he was repeatedly let go based on the zero-bail policy that California has put into effect due to the coronavirus pandemic, police said.

On Wednesday, officers responded to a call of a man attempting to break into a vehicle in the city of Glendora, in the San Gabriel Valley. According to the police, Dijon Landrum, 24, was allegedly attempting to drive away in the stolen vehicle.

Landrum was arrested, issued a citation and released, officers said.

About an hour after Landrum was released, the department said it received a call about a man allegedly taking items from residences' front yards. The responding officers allegedly found Landrum at the scene in possession of stolen items.

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The officers issued Landrum a citation and recovered the property.

Later that night, a car was reported stolen out of a parking lot. Glendora officers tracked the car on the freeway in nearby La Puente, and the Los Angeles County Sheriffs and California Highway Patrol pursued the vehicle.

Landrum was arrested in Pasadena for alleged possession of a stolen vehicle and for evading officers. He was issued a citation and released for the third time that day, police said. <sigh>


STOP THE LOCK DOWN!
And Lock Him Up



Moi

Don't ize
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Stop the lockdown and people will die.

 

It was also the best economy in history, so he gets that too. And the economy will rebound back quickly once we have the vaccine anyway. And he will be the president that saw America through the crisis and saved the lives of millions that may have perished without his actions. He will go down in history as a great president, much to your dismay, I'm sure.

 

YOU have been well programmed.

A credit to the MSM! ​

 

Keep him locked up.

 

I believe that it is you who have been programmed. Try to THINK!

 

Exactly where are you getting your information from?

 

BSc Biological Sciences, Magna Cum Laude and "special honors" Biology
M.D. retired. undocumented interests & work in "immunology".


And YOU @ProgressivePatriot ?
Okay, I understand it is the 21st Century
and "how I feel about it" over power's truthiness

Ref.: http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/can-they-be-trusted.513616/

Opinion Polls forum
" Can They Be Trusted " thread​

Directions if Link Doesn't Link.

 

This is the closest thing I see to actual common sense here.

Nobody ever proposed the lockdown would or should be permanent, dependent on a vaccine or even a treatment. The only things that were really proposed were that we quarantine ourselves until we have well-equipped hospitals and widespread testing (with contact tracing) That way we would know where there was a real problem and be able to deal with it.

Is this unreasonable somehow?

For god's sake, South Korea did this from the beginning, starting on the exact same day that we started and they have 254 deaths in a population of 50 million, one sixth of ours. If we had done the same we would have 1500 dead not 60,000

And please, none of this bs that they are somehow so radically different as people from us. They are human beings, last I checked, and there simply isn't that much variability in our species to account for a 4000% difference.

What is WRONG with conservatives? WHY are they making this into such a huge problem when it's so obviously not even close to actually being one?

Under a sane government Trump would have resigned by now.