Israel vows to pursue Syria operations until Iran leaves

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    Can't answer what ? - of course there are rockets fired by the Palestinians - It is not like this blood feud has not been going on for 80 years.

    What you can't answer is "So What" - did you have a point - or are you going to leave us hanging
     
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    I am pretty sure you don't mean to compare "Israel" with "IRAN" even on those things you consider a sign of 'advancement' (many of which I would dispute). You are probably comparing the two on a per capita basis. Otherwise, there are very few things that Israel is more advanced than Iran if looked at in aggregate. Except for a few items provided to Israel more exclusively (and totally denied to Iran), whatever else you can find in Israel, you can find more of it in Iran. More university graduates, more doctors, more scientists, industries, more steel production, more automobiles, more cellphones, more people connected to the internet, more buildings, even more US dollars (even though trade in dollars with Iran, or anyone residing in Iran, is "illegal" by order of those who control its print and circulation!).

    But you can't really compare Israel to Iran anyway. Iran is a foundational state in the larger scheme of world history, around whose realm, the political divisions and dividing lines in the Middle East have taken shape -- and against the backdrop of its history, the entire divide between East (Middle East) and West emerged over several millennia of history. Today, it is a country which finds itself the target of a war in everything but name, by those who lead the entire western dominated, global economic and political order.

    Israel, by comparison, is a recent neo-colonial outpost created by the victors of the order that was being set following WWII: by both the West with the US moving ahead to claim its lead mantle from those in Western Europe who had claimed its lead mantle before, as well as by the 'western/eastern' challengers from the Soviet Union and its orbit. The latter now having been vanquished, Israel is now even more exclusively a colonial outpost of the western dominated order. A state composed of many of those who had been once persecuted in the West for being too 'Eastern', but who have adopted its flag now and become more "Catholic than the Pope". Of course, joined by others who nominally are from the same faith and others who have simply come for the ride.

    Don't get me wrong: the "Jews", as opposed to the state of Israel, are indeed one of the most influential 'nations' in the world, despite not having a 'state'. And the "Jews" owe a lot more to Iran than you realize. But you can't really compare Israel to Iran: that wouldn't be fair to either. That comparison wouldn't be telling because of differences in population (Iran has ten times as many people) or circumstance (apart all Israel is provided from outside, all Israel needs to start and reap the benefits of any project is money, with no restrictions on transfer of IP or trained individuals from the most technologically advanced countries, versus a country that is under the most strict sanctions ever imposed on any country on earth).

    But if you want to compare anyway, let me know first what you have in mind as proof of advancement? Maybe rankings and portraits painted of Iran by those Iran finds itself at war against (much like it found itself at war against Rome and before them the Greeks for a thousand years or so)? Or on those things which cannot lie regardless of who tells the story? Things like this here and many other things I could point to.





     
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    Neo-colonial lol
    Jews have been in Israel for 3,500 yrs
    That’s a very spiteful thing to say
    And no , the IDF has a far more advanced army and huge edge in the Air !!!
    Iran under the Mullahs are the Worlds biggest terrorist nation and you better not upset Trump before the election
     
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    Iran is a backwards and bankrupt nation and you have far bigger worries than Israel ( who has no wish for war )
    If Iran ( can remove the mullahs) then I see a very bright future for Iran
     
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    Iran could not even defeat Iraq which USA steam rolled in days and capture Baghdad in a few weeks

    if Iran stopped aiding terrorist ground like Hezbollah and Hamas and stopped building WMD, then yes , you would be a strong nation.
     
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    Israel has been begging for war - you need to keep up.
     
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    Iran has been sending large cargos of missies to Syria and Lebanon and secretly building nuclear weapons
     
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    All you do is engage in what I consider spam.

    1- Some "Jews" may have been in what is now Israel for as long as you claim (not that many for much of that history), but for all of the history that is recorded since Herodotus (considered in the West the "father of history") more than 2,500 years ago (the Histories by Herodotus dealing mainly with the Greco-Persian wars and the Greek account of the world then), up to 1947, there was no state called Israel. And the Zionist project came to fruition, it came to fruition on the back of support for the project from the powers I described, backed by a UN resolution supported by those I described.

    2- Never mind that in the Global Firepower Rankings HERE, Israel ranks behind Iran, I don't consider Israel (standing alone) to be even at Iran's level for any comparison to be made. While Israel has been trying to start a war with Iran (for the US to then finish for them), Iran knows that if it ever goes to war with Israel, it won't be fighting Israel alone. It will be fighting the forces that I alluded to already and which make Israel a 'neo-colonial' outpost in the Middle East. What's more, Israel knows that too. That is, in fact, what they want to make sure and have been counting on since Trump became POTUS.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/israel-preparing-open-war/601285/
    The Coming Middle East Conflagration
    Israel is bracing itself for war with Iranian proxies, as Tehran escalates its provocations. But what will the United States do if conflict comes?

     
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    Israeli Air Force dwarfs Iran in technology and experience
    It’s a massive gap
    IAF has the best pilots on the planet
     
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    You saw how a weak Israel destroyed Syria , Jordan and Egypt in 6 days
     
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    USA navy could sink the entire Iranian Navy in a few hours
     
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    What does that have to do with Israel begging for war. Nuclear weapons are a concern to the whole world - and that is being dealt with.
    What does this have to do with Israel stirring the pot in Syria ? = Zero

    Prove that Iran has been sending large cargo's of missiles - Iran has been building missiles for a long long time .. so far Hezbollah - Hamas has never fired a "missile" as in something high tech - into Israel - and Israel should be grateful that it's favorite punching bag is not armed better by other nations - like Israel is.
     
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    If a nation that calls for your destruction and is sending cargo loads of missiles to terrorist groups next door ..that kind of means you have a right for self defense ??
    Where are you from ??
     
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    Gift ?? Where are you from ??
    Western Europe ???
     
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    Why are you still talking about Nuclear weapons ? is your reading comprehensive impaired ? Prove your claim about the missiles.
    Iran has been helping Syria with the war against Al Qaeda- ISIS - since 2012 - no surprise if missiles were sent to Syria - and good for Iran - no surprise there.

    It would serve Israel right if Iran was sending sophisticated missiles to Lebanon.
     
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    USA -
     
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    What part of "I do not believe your claim" is not getting through ? "Self Defense" does not include attacking other nations.

    You drink way too much Establishment Koolaid - and accept it as Truth.
     
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    Iran has precision guided missiles that can hit Israel even more effectively and with even more accuracy than Israel's air force, which actually has very FEW planes capable of going as far as any serious targets in Iran.

    The rest of what you say below and elsewhere is largely more of the same spam. But that never stopped me trying to open the eyes of people who prefer their understandings of things in a few lines which build on the propaganda they have been exposed to. And it won't now.
    I have had that argument elsewhere and those who should know better, do know better. For now, all you need to know is what the headline in this report HERE says, but for more on the issue, visit the other thread about Trump's threat to destroy Iran's speedboats.

    And Israel couldn't defeat what amounts to something comparable to a single division of the Iranian revolutionary guards, namely Hezbollah, in weeks of fighting. Not even in battles where it enjoyed every superiority conceivable, such as the Battle of Bint Jbeil.

    But who cares about these other countries and how their peasant armies did against Israel? Or how Iran, when it was just coming out of its revolution and beginning on its road of genuine development, did many decades ago in wars whose real lessons and meaning you don't even understand?

    Now, going back to the videos I posted on the Math, Physics, and Chemistry Olympiads, maybe this will give you a CLUE of some of the things that make Iran different. What I say here about Math, applies to all these other subjects too, but I have already done the math on the Math statistics! Go HERE to find the underlying statistics.

    1- All of the countries in the Middle East, North Africa, and the Indian subcontinent, combined, have only 45 Gold medals compared to 45 Gold medals by Iran standing alone! In fact, other than Turkey (19G), Israel (14G), India (12G), none of the others even have a single gold medal! That none includes Egypt, Jordan, and Syria and many more!

    2- In the rest of the developing world, outside of East Asia, in Latin America or Central America (here, counting Mexico which is part of N. America technically, as part of the gang), or Africa, you can't find too many countries which have earned a single gold medal. The exception seems to be Brazil with 10 Gold medals, Argentina with 5 Gold medals, and Mexico with 3. None of the rest seem to have earned a single Gold medal. All of them together don't have the 45 Gold medals from Iran.

    3- Even in Western Europe, the only countries with more Gold medals than Iran are Germany (51) and the UK (48.), with even France (24) trailing Iran. Other than Italy (15), most of the rest of the western European countries either don't have gold medals at all (e.g. Spain), or have no more than a handful.
     
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    Then why is Iran a 5th World nation in extreme poverty if your the best at everything ???
     
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    Is this some new propaganda nonsense you are being told these days? Where did you get that?

    I have given you the sources for the things I have said. And those aren't -- by any stretch of the imagination or pretense -- Iranian or pro Iranian sources! But while the US/Israel would LOVE for Iran to be doing as poorly as you like to claim and imagine, and that is actually the purpose of the maximum pressure campaign against Iran, even with all the sanctions on Iran and more, Iran is economically a upper middle level country even on a per capita basis.
     
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    Iran is a nation of extreme poverty and is a banana republic
    Your facts are wrong and your nation supports only terrorist
    I dare you to mess with US ships like you did under the 2 previous pathetic US presidents
     
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    No, sorry. this is not a case of Hamas fires a rocket if Israel attacks them.
    Hamas fires many rockets because Jews are sitting on land claimed by
    Hamas.
    Hamas made it clear years ago it would not accept a peace settlement with
    Israel. They declared that quite openly to the whole world.
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    Notwithstanding whatever you may wish for Iran, Iran is a upper middle level country in per capita income and in all the main statistical barometers that go with that.

    Here are the estimates of per capita income by the CIA. The top 5 are a bunch of mini-states.
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/211rank.html
    United States is 19th on the list. Germany is 27th. Japan 42nd. For a mini-state, and compared to many others on that ilk, Israel doesn't rank that highly at 55th.

    Then you have the countries which are closer to Iran on a per capita basis:
    Below Iran you can find countries like:

    And many more countries still.
     
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    Israel knows it cannot beat Iran in a war and will lose a lot of her people. Israel's politicians have long been keen on war with Iran but Israel's military have always known it is a war she cannot win. Israel has always wanted the United States to fight the war for her - as she got them to fight against Iraq. That is why she was so upset when Obama managed to conclude the deal which had been worked on for twelve years. With such a nuclear deal and Iran keeping it, Israel would never get the US to go to war with Iran. However enter Trump who is backed by the Christian Zionists and extreme right Jewish Zionists and they managed to get Trump to rip up and International Treaty and hopefully as far as Israel is concerned destroy Iran.

    Even the US cannot beat Iran at war - they would be doing a Vietnam there and climate disaster would have destroyed the world long before they had committed a genocide there. They have tried this by trying to get civil war going and trying to get an extreme cult in charge but the Iranian people are no fools. .
     
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    But not about what you were talking about.
     

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