Israel vows to pursue Syria operations until Iran leaves

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did YOU know about this?
    Statement from Hamas
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    Absolute rubbish. Khaled Mashal said out right he had nothing against Jews. His fight and that of Hamas is against Israel and not even straight against Israel. His fight is against an Israel which keeps his people under siege, an Israel which wants to take the historic land of his people. He even went further than that and said he would accept an Israel living behind 67 lines provided the rest of historic Palestine created a viable congruous state for its people provided the Palestinian people given a free vote voted for this. A two state solution could have been created when he was leader but Israel did not want it.

    Your claim that Hamas wants to attack 'Jews' sitting on the other side of the fence is unfounded deliberate hate provocation. It is Israel which kills hundreds of Palestinian children when it 'mows the grass' every few years - mowing the grass being Israel's term for her every few years 'wars' and each one of those was started by Israel. She then becomes more provocative until Hamas responds and then says she is acting to protect herself. Israel has now made Gaza uninhabitable. Anyway she is fighting a losing battle. Her love of war will lead her to do her part in destroying the planet.

    Israel is a colonial project. It is a colonial project of the kind that replaces the people who have been living there. Unfortunately for Israel democracy had come to the West and two world wars had been fought over colonialism that by the time she started doing it, it was recognised as being immoral and so against the law.

    Since 67 Israel has been supported by extremist Christians who are hoping to get Armageddon started - that they believe will get rid of most Jews and will they believe result in them experiencing rapture. Clearly their god is not a benign one.
     
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    I do not have the time or interest in wasting time on this. Hamas brought out a new constitution a few years ago. I have no interest in whatever hate material you have there to support the killing of the children of Gaza.

    It is true that Hamas did kill civilians however it was from Israel that the killing of civilians began. . Khaled Mashal said he had been in contact with Israel several times asking for an agreement that they would both stop killing civilians but that Israel refused. In recent years Hamas has taken much more care not to kill civilians than Israel who calls her killing of hundreds of children and her causing life changing injuries, both physical and psychological to tens of thousands of children, 'collateral damage'.
     
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    It's rather simple. Iran doesn't bow down to the US.
    Why the hell are people thinking that what Israel does... invading Syria again and again.... is going to make Iran bow down?

    That's just wishful thinking. Iran will never bow down to Israel, just like they won't bow down to the US. They remain independent and not some henchman that just gets bribed around for the sake that the US gets to play the super power around. The Taliban has kicked out the US. Cmon.
     
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    If it was just the US/Israel, I would agree. But the combination of forces working against Iran in Syria are too much for Iran to have any easy answers. It will try to find an answer but for now, besides the US/Israel, Iran has to also worry about some others as well.

    This report by Israel's Haaretz, while implicitly trying to further stir the pot and help further deteriorate relations between Iran and Russia, nonetheless is not too far off the mark. The report, although long, doesn't get into the whole "Trump, Russian-Israeli Oligarchs, Russia-US-Israel Joint Project to Kick Iran out of Israel" part of the story (which is very important actually), and tries to provide a 'reasonable and sensible' justification for Russia's actions in Syria, nonetheless is worth reading -- at least for those who are interested in the behind the scenes tug of war over Syria.

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...syria-iran-and-assad-are-in-its-way-1.8831215
    Russia Wants a Lucrative Diplomatic Victory in Syria. Iran and Assad Are in Its Way
     
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    It would be easier for everyone if they would.
     
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    Quote "Khaled Mashal said he had been in contact with Israel several times asking for an agreement that they would
    both stop killing civilians but that Israel refused."
    First I have heard of this. My BS antenna suggests this is a purely political stunt because Hamas hides behind civilians.
    Like all other deals, Hamas could continue with its tunnels, rockets, kites, snipers etc and Israel could be held up to the
    international press as "violating" its agreement. Something like that happens with Lebanon and Hezbollah's "pledge" not
    to smuggle weapons into Lebanon or militarize the southern border.
     
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    Yes, you are right. Israel starts the wars. Usually its after a few thousand rockets rain down
    upon her, or a RPG hits a school bus or something like that. Hamas can then say "Israel
    started the war."
    Israel can't be a "colonial" power - the Jews settled in Caanan during the Bronze Age. The
    Arabs invaded the Levant with the rise of Islam more than 2,000 years later.
    Armageddon and the far right in America is usually treated with amusement to most Israelis.
    It means turning Israel into a nuclear battleground. Something like that is mentioned in some
    detail in Ezekiel 38 and 39 - but that's not Armageddon IMO.
    I think "mowing the grass" began as an American saying.
    Personally I wouldn't trust any deal with Hamas, Islamic Jihad or Fatah. You lay your nation
    open to your own extermination, and then plead, "But you said...."
     
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    That's interesting because so many Russian Jews are in Israel, and I think they came from the Soviet Union, so they really wouldn't know much about Judaism. I also know that many Christian in laws went to Israel with them. But then again that was a different era.

    I assume you wanted to get citizenship, otherwise you would have been a tourist. I know that Messianic Jews are having a bit of a problem, but is it that, or are they afraid of spies?

    Anyway I'm just speculating here.
     
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    I believe Iran was fighting a defensive war against Iraq, not an aggressive war, so why would they want to go into Iraq?
     
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    I never heard that Iran's aid is not welcome according to Assad.
    And when Assad is happy. And the Russians can't convince him otherwise... than it is how it is.

    All this is,... are a bunch of sulking Israeli Jews that can't stand that their projected power over Syria has diminished in favor of Iran. Diminished greatly. Do note.... it must have been their dream and so the dream of the US to have some stooge installed who violently oppresses Arabs like they do in Egypt. Somebody that doesn't mind that much that Palestinians are treated as 3rd class humans.
     
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    It would be much easier if the US doesn't behave like a tyrant and just buzzes off.
    Them Americans have as culture to be aware of a possible tyrant in the White House.
    A tyrant who may be removed with their 2nd amendment at their side.
     
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    Neither Leftist nor a Jew Hater. Did you have anything other than making up stuff and attributing it to others ?

    What is not made up is that you are clueless with respect Israel /Palestinian conflict - nor have you figured out that you have been ingesting and reciting propaganda like a good little lamb.
     
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    The Iran-Iraq war was a long time ago, long before Iran had developed much of an indigenous military industrial capacity. And the Iraq which Iran fought, was backed by a good many states from both NATO and Warsaw Pact, financed generously by the petro-dollar kingdoms and sheikdoms (some of whom Saddam repaid by invading Kuwait:), with Iraq's military operations supported by US reconnaissance and surveillance assets and any reversals suffered by his forces reversed by extensive use of chemical weapons (often directed by intelligence fed to Saddam by the US).

    All of that aside, the lessons of the Iran-Iraq war, juxtaposed against the wars the US waged against a Saddam cut off from all of his backers and more, wasn't what people imagine anyway. I have covered the issue, from a military perspective, elsewhere and could review the military lessons here, even if 30-40 years since that war, a lot has changed and even those lessons aren't going to be necessarily relevant anymore.
     
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    Trump is the only guy who fights tyrants like your terrorist leader
     
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    Just because you make up falsehoods - and repeat them over and over - does not make these falsehoods true.
     
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    I have used the term "Blood Feud" a number of times to describe the situation. Do you know what a blood feud is ?
     
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    Trump is not the only guy fighting terrorists .. where do you get all these false narratives from ?

    The US is a far bigger supporter of Terrorists and Terrorism than Iran - time to wake up :)
     
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    Iran produces zero of anything of value !!
     
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    Iran produces a lot of things -- in fact, it is one of the rare countries in the world which is pretty much self-sufficient in everything. The reason it can survive the kind economic plus warfare waged against it. In fact, in the few places in this world where Iran can compete to sell its products still, such as Iraq, their markets are filled with Iranian products.

    You don't know anything about Iran, and since sanctions and other measures preclude Iran from competing in markets you are familiar with, your silly ideas about Iran might resonate with others who don't know much about Iran. But besides building its own armaments of all kinds and variety, here are some things Iran produces besides oil (a commodity which the US has banned others from purchasing from Iran) where it even ranks among the top 10-20 in the world: 1- Steel, 2- Automobiles, 3- Cement, 4- Petrochemicals and many other industrial goods, besides agricultural and other products such as saffron, caviar, and pistachios in each of whom Iran is one of the leading if not the leading producers.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_steel_production
    List of countries by steel production
    https://www.mordorintelligence.com/industry-reports/analysis-of-automobile-industry-in-iran
    https://financialtribune.com/articl...-rank-as-world-s-10th-biggest-cement-producer
    Iran Retains Rank as World’s 10th Biggest Cement Producer
     
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    I read the article and it does give facts, but it also gives a lot of interpretations and opinions that are not facts, so I wouldn't pay heed to the writer's conclusions.

    It's logical that Putin would want Iran out since they're aggravating Israel and hindering the development of Syria and its return to normalcy, as well as keeping the war going on and hurting civilians.

    It's illogical though to say that Russia wants Assad out since he is the legally elected president and unlike us, Moscow is not in the regime change business.

    Besides that, Pres. Assad's Alawite faith is secular and all inclusive, and this is why the Syrians keep voting him in. So even though the Alawites like the Alevi's in Turkey fall under the Shia umbrella, they are not exactly the same as Shia. Many of their beliefs are Christian, so it's assumed they were Christians who were forced to convert. I know from sources that Pres. Assad is very close to a Christian monastery in Syria.

    The reason I'm saying this is because people aren't aware that the connection between Russia and Syria predates the Soviet Union, and goes back to a time when Russia was the protector of the Orthodox under the Ottomans - and that would include Syria, in the same way that France was the protector of Catholics in Lebanon.

    Old bonds and affinities do not die out so readily.
     
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    Everything isn't about religion. In fact, not as much is about religion as some people imagine. But if it was, the Syrian Alawites who chose to be considered part of the "Shia" community -- and Iran has recognized them as such. Although that is NOT Iran's main consideration in supporting Assad.

    Iran has excellent relations with many Christian groups and there are Shia groups who are quite hostile to Iran. For instance, in the war between (shia) Azerbaijan and (Christian) Armenia, Iran tilted towards Armenia with which had much better relations than Azerbaijan. And I can give many such examples. In Lebanon, for instance, Hezbollah is allied with some of that country's most important Christian figures, including its president.

    Anyway, whatever connections between Russia and the Alawite community in Syria, Assad isn't the only Alawite in Syria. Not that I believe Russia wants to get rid of Assad necessarily, but they are certainly trying to push him around, trying to twist his arm, for him to listen to their dictates more.
     
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    If only we could get the West to move away from the UN.
     
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    Buchanan said that the only democracies in the Middle East is Iran and Syria. Is Israel a democracy - or is it not?

    But then again, if Israel was a democracy it would cease to exist, so how can it be?
     

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