A 25-year-old black man was shot dead in Georgia while jogging, prompting online protests labeling t

He was wrong about it being a justifiable citizen's arrest and that they had a valid claim to self defense after using the guns in a threatening manner. But he did get some names right.

And no, the surveillance tapes show him looking inside a house under construction, something that people do every day with no consequence. So I am not ignoring them as they show the victim committing no crime outside of a misdemeanor trespassing. The tapes support the charges of murder.

 

That remains open to some interpretation whether they actually used the guns in a specifically "threatening manner", or whether they actually had begun performing a citizen's arrest yet, as far as the law would be concerned.

 

No it doesn’t. Citizens arrest is a legal process and had legal requirements. Th e requirements in GA is a citizen had witness first hand a crime. No such crime was witnessed. The attempted detainment here was illegal.

 

Who is stopping you?

 

You misunderstand. It could be argued they did not actually end up performing a citizens arrest, or beginning to perform one, before the man was shot.

That's a critical legal detail, regardless of whether they were there or not to perform a citizens arrest.

 

If you want to call someone the Nword, then do it.

 

Here is another one who wants to use the Nword, get the ok from the mods I don't give a damn.

 

You ever been called the Nword?

How many black people have you EVER engaged with?

 

No they cant argue that. They already admitted it.

no it isn’t.

 

Its not.

There's a reason they are listed separately.

How much LEO training have you had? I'm going to guess none.

Sorry I had to correct that statement, but I couldn't let it go.

 

If you eliminate a citizen's arrest (and there is no legal citizens arrest here) then they committed murder, which is what they are charged for.

 

It is.

Trying to play semantics isn’t going to make you any less wrong here.

 

So not only are you wrong, but you've got no experience to support your stance?

Bravo. You got me, I guess.

And in case you don't to be wrong repeatedly in further debates, read up on the difference.

https://wolflawcolorado.com/difference-between-probable-cause-and-reasonable-suspicion/

and while these concepts share similarities, they are also distinguished by some key differences

Feel free to keep arguing though.

 

The law is clear, the circumstances are not.

 

That's not necessarily true either.

In that case, one critical detail might be if the gun was actually pointed at the man. And even then, even if it was, they might only be guilty of "brandishing firearms in a threatening manner", and shooting the man could still have been justified. Since Abery did not really have any realistic advantage to gain by doing what he did.
(Now, if Abery's actions had had a realistic chance of stopping his assailants, and then he died as a result of that, it might be a different story)

 

SHOT three times with a SHOT GUN !
Pretty well proves the Intent to KILL

http://www.yourdestinationnow.com/2020/05/georgia-attorney-general-to-look-into.html

 

The law is not clear as it applies to this specific situation.

 

You would think so, but not necessarily.

The first shot may have been triggered when Abery was stupidly trying to yank the gun away. (That is, Abery basically ended up shooting himself. It basically says as much in the police report)

Since it was only to the palm of his hand, and he may have kept attacking them or yanking on the gun, the men may have felt another shot was warranted.

Someone here claimed that Abery may have triggered both of the first two shots by continuing to pull on the gun, but I'm not exactly sure how that would work.
I'm not really an expert in that area to tell you how plausible it is.

 

Nah, if they wanted to kill him they wouldn't have called the cops.

Seems like odd behavior before you blast someone.

If they were just out to hunt a black dude, doubt they'd bother to try and stop him to chat.

 

Nothing you said matters. They intentionally chased the victim around the neighborhood with guns and automobiles resulting in his death. That's murder.

 

Disagree.

 

Yes, Travis could have been shot. That's why you don't pull guns out on folks for no reason.

 

Do what I told you to do. Then I'll answer your question. Go yell the N word on Chicago's South side. Make a video of yourself saying it, so I'll know you really said it.

 

Yes they are. They literally admitted they attempted to detain him. They are clearly seen on video brandishing firearms and attempting to detain him.

 

It’s crystal clear.